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surprise_i'm_armed wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:36 pm Where did you pick up a 21" S & W? Bricks and mortar, or over the web?

Price, I'm guessing, was about $49.99?

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:48 pm

b4aftr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:48 pm Yeah, I picked up a monadnock used to try it out. Better than having nothing in certain scenarios.

My only previous definition for "monadnock" was Mount Monadnock in southern New Hampshire.
A monadnock is a prominent hill sitting above a plain, and its granite resisted it being ground down by glacial till, so it stands by itself without hills nearby.

In this case,Monadnock is the maker of a police baton known as model PR-24. The joke is that the PR stands for "Public Relations", and it's 24" long.

Tonight at Academy, I looked over a Smith and Wesson collapsible baton, 16" when fully extended. It comes with a belt holster which will hold it fully retracted. The price was $39.99 and they had several in stock.

https://www.asp-usa.com/collections/batons

The link above allows you to shop for higher end batons, which are priced 3x to 4x the price of the Smith and Wesson. I expect that they must be quite stong, in order to justify their higher price.

SIA

WildRose wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:47 pm

The_Vigilante wrote: ↑Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:02 pm Let's see, I can carry a firearm which can inflict a lot more damage than a baton, billy club, etc. Why not a baton? Wouldn't it be preferrable to use a baton to defend yourself in cases where a gun wouldn't be an option? No loss of life! Wonder what the reasoning is on the restrictions of batons?

As much as I love this state we have had some of the dumbest weapons laws in the country for decades. Our knife laws until recently amended were an abomination.

With respect to clubs, blackjacks, etc the reasons behind the prohibitions are understandable, they wanted to limit as much as possible the ability of gangs and individual criminals to legally possess such weapons on the street.

In reality, the net effect is that it makes the law abiding citizen less safe and gives criminals an advantage since it isn't they who are inclined to follow the law.

For decades "officer discretion" took care of the problem. The law existed to get them an excuse to hold someone for investigation on the violation if they suspected them of something else but "Joe or Jose' Good citizen" would be treated with a wink and a nod.

With all the discrimination lawsuits of the last few decades much of that discretion is simply gone and cops are in a no win situation.

I've written the governor, legislature, and individuals in the gov't several times suggesting these laws need to be repealed and reviewed but so far, there's just not enough political will behind it.

In truth, all that would be necessary to have the desired deterrent effect while still allowing more less than lethal options for lawful self defense would be to simply amend the existing laws making possession of any of those weapons a felony or even aggravated felony during the commission of a crime and lawful for all others.