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HOUSE BILLS
(Second Reading)

Boxerrider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:08 pm

Flightmare wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:17 pm

Boxerrider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:30 am

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:35 am Why is law enforcement so opposed to the legislature codifying this to prevent harassment and abuse by LEOs of honest, law abiding citizens?
Law enforcement says that it will make their jobs harder by taking way a tool, but this is a tool that they already shouldn't have since after this passes, no law would be broken by the mere possession of a handgun in public.
Do all LEOs assume that every person they encounter is a felon? Seems like a negative way to start any encounter with the public.

I only notice police chiefs from metropolitan areas being vocal against constitutional carry. That's a small percentage of Texas' law enforcement community. Police chief is a hired/appointed position, not elected, and that can make them more likely to parrot the policies of city leadership instead of the will of the citizens.
LEOs I know assume that every person is armed all of the time. It isn't a negative perspective for them in most cases, but rather a precautionary one.

I would counter by saying that many metropolitan areas which have chiefs who parrot city leadership are home to many left leaning individuals who elect that same city leadership. Even making chief an elected position would likely result in a similar political stance. Perhaps even MORE "political" as they would be more likely to run their department as a political division, as opposed to law enforcement.

I would agree with you on that - those people elected those city officials after all. I don't know that the rank and file officers in those areas have the same view as their chiefs, or the liberal voters.

Boxerrider wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:30 am

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:35 am Why is law enforcement so opposed to the legislature codifying this to prevent harassment and abuse by LEOs of honest, law abiding citizens?
Law enforcement says that it will make their jobs harder by taking way a tool, but this is a tool that they already shouldn't have since after this passes, no law would be broken by the mere possession of a handgun in public.
Do all LEOs assume that every person they encounter is a felon? Seems like a negative way to start any encounter with the public.

I only notice police chiefs from metropolitan areas being vocal against constitutional carry. That's a small percentage of Texas' law enforcement community. Police chief is a hired/appointed position, not elected, and that can make them more likely to parrot the policies of city leadership instead of the will of the citizens.
LEOs I know assume that every person is armed all of the time. It isn't a negative perspective for them in most cases, but rather a precautionary one.

allisji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:10 am Will it pass out of committee? It sounds like it should since they basically loaded the committee with supporters of the legislation.

Will it pass the Senate? I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's only just a wish list item.

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:24 pm

Syntyr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:10 pm I think they are trying to stall. Figuring they can run out the clock for this year.

You obviously haven't paid attention to how the legislature works. There is a public hearing tomorrow where this will be the only bill discussed. Some time after that, the committee will offer up, vote on and pass out a committee substitute with the changes that the Senate believe make the House Bill better. For a pattern of what it might look like, see SB 2224.

Then the Senate Committee substitute of CS HB 1927 will go to the Senate floor where it the rules will be suspended to allow the consideration of the bill. This takes (I believe) 18 Senators to do. Anti-gun, or weakening amendments will be proposed by the Democrats and voted down in a marathon session that will take up pretty much all of the Senate's time that day. It will ultimately pass along partisan lines and then will be sent back to the House for concurrence (not likely), or appointing a conference committee (most likely) where members of both chambers hammer out differences that will then be given a simple up/down vote by each chamber. This will most likely happen in the last 3-5 days of the session.

The final bill passed will provide for some form of "Constitutional Carry", but may not resemble very closely the original (and in my opinion, fairly good) bill voted on in the House.

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:35 pm Let me also say, if they wanted to stall, this never would have had a special Senate committee formed to discuss this one issue or had it populated so heavily with Republicans. It would have been assigned to a regular committee and left there to die after possibly being given a hearing in the last week of the session like so many of the cannabis bills last session.

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:36 am HB 1927 was referred to a special committee today - Senate Special Committee for Constitutional Issues that is headed by Senator Schwertner (my State Senator).

I contacted his office and left a message expressing my support as a constituent and hope that he will support the bill.

jason812 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:49 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:58 pm

Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:17 pm My Senator, Paxton just announced her support for HB 1927. More are adding themselves to the list. I suspect that pressure will start to mount on the fence sitters.

I was wondering if we should send her an email thanking her for supporting our 2nd amendment rights. Maybe some incentive for her to maintain her stance on this issue.

Good idea. I sent mine a thank you note.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:58 pm

Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:17 pm My Senator, Paxton just announced her support for HB 1927. More are adding themselves to the list. I suspect that pressure will start to mount on the fence sitters.

I was wondering if we should send her an email thanking her for supporting our 2nd amendment rights. Maybe some incentive for her to maintain her stance on this issue.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:49 pm

ELB wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:46 pmThe way the article quotes Patrick it appears the "law enforcement community" is opposing the bill and has some sway.

Democrat run big city LE, maybe. Chicken Littles.

Unlicensed carry is not a big issue for me, except that it's embarrassing that we don't yet have it.
I'd rather see fewer off limits places or an enhanced permit that gets me fewer off limits places. But I support passing unlicensed carry for sure.