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by KBCraig
Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:01 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Charged With Murder----During a Class!
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A different article names it as Fred's Gun Emporium.

http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/08 ... 7083.shtml

Story last updated at 3:27 a.m. Friday, August 17, 2007

Stabbing at gunshop proves fatal
ROBIN PYLE
AVALANCHE-JOURNAL

Lubbock police are investigating a fatal stabbing at a local gun shop Thursday evening.

At about 5:45 p.m., a person was stabbed at Fred's Gun Emporium, 3003 Slide Road. The victim was taken to University Medical Center, where the person was pronounced dead, police said.

Authorities had not made any arrests and had yet to name a suspect in the stabbing.

Investigators were questioning at least one person at the police department late Thursday.

Anyone with information about the case is encouraged to call Crime Line at 741-1000. Callers may remain anonymous.
by KBCraig
Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:54 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Charged With Murder----During a Class!
Replies: 34
Views: 9791

hoss4570 wrote:Was it at Sharp Shooters??
They give pictures of the place, but not the name.

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by KBCraig
Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:33 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Charged With Murder----During a Class!
Replies: 34
Views: 9791

Re: sself defense?

There will be a lot of details that we might or might not ever learn. The fact that the fight started in public and then moved to an "employees only" section tell us one of two things: either one of them was being an aggressor and pursuing the other who was retreating, or they moved there to continue "mutual combat".

The former situation leads to legitimate self defense; the latter does not.

I'm not worried about the age difference. I've known many men in their mid-60s who are strong as a mule and mean as a snake, perfectly capable of beating down an overweight guy 18 years younger. (Not 22 years, switch -- check your math.)

As for knife vs. gun, since the guy was teaching a class, he probably didn't have a loaded gun with him. Whether justified homicide or murder, he might have just used what he had at hand.
by KBCraig
Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:33 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Charged With Murder----During a Class!
Replies: 34
Views: 9791

Re: Justified???

KD5NRH wrote:
switch wrote:A large bruise? I think the term is 'serious bodily injury'. I doubt if a bruise is going to cut it. :cry:
Getting punched in the face has been found to be a reason to fear serious bodily injury before.
Exactly. Blows to the head are "serious bodily injury", capable of causing death.

The very first CHL in Texas to use deadly force was Gordon Hale, who was being punched in the head by Kenny Tavai. Hale was arrested and charged, but no-billed by the grand jury.

Being punched in the head can justify the use of deadly force in return.

(Can justify, based on the circumstances. Getting slapped doesn't mean you are free to double-tap.)

Kevin
by KBCraig
Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:51 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: CHL Instructor Charged With Murder----During a Class!
Replies: 34
Views: 9791

Given that the arrestee is sporting a large bruise on his face, it might well have been justified self defense.

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