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srothstein wrote:A second reason was the word getting around about Bill Ruger supporting magazine limits. Some thought he supported a 10 round limit though I think he wanted it at 15. A lot of people reacted as you would think when they thought he was cooperating with the anti's. IMHO, he was using the anti's for marketing reasons more thna cooperating. A 15 round limit would really have hurt Glock as his competition. But there are still people who resent his attitude and decline to purchase the guns.

Yet they seem to give S&W a pass, despite their "deal with the devil" and Clinton's HUD agreement.

They might have had a point at one time, and I was part of the "S&W must die!" crowd. But you know what? Bill Ruger is dead, and the British-owned S&W that made that deal also died, and was reborn as a new American company.

Neither company should be held to blame for impolitic decisions of those who are no involved. That would be like boycotting Cooper Arms because Dan Cooper was a lying Obama supporter; they kicked him out, case closed.

My quibble with the KP89DAO is the caliber (9mm), but since they chose it as a replacement for a hodgepodge of Model 10-* series S&W revolvers (all of which were beyond service as boat anchors), and they wanted it to be a gun anyone could shoot, I can't complain too much. They also replaced the limited issue special unit S&W 4-digit autos, which should have been tossed on the bottom of a lake without being tied to a boat. We had some of those that quite literally disassembled themselves on the firing line at 4k-5k rounds.

Meanwhile, we have run as much as 20k rounds through some of the P89s, without a single mechanical failure. I say again: Not. A. Single. One. Nor were any parts replaced on a scheduled maintenance (but some have been replaced after inspection). We've had some bad magazines, but never a pistol that wouldn't shoot. It's been 15 or 16 years since we switched to the P89, and I can count on one hand the number of stoppages I've seen during annual qualification (12 shooters at a time, half a day per section, 24 shooters a day for 10 training days). Many of our staff aren't "gun people", but we just simply don't have a problem with limp-wristing, FTF, or FTE.

The trigger is as good as any true DAO semi (leaving aside the pre-cocked Glocks and such). Long, moderate weight, not a match trigger by any means, but far better than the horrid S&W revolvers they replaced (as I've pointed out, they were way beyond service life). The MIM and investment cast parts make them more consistent from one pistol to the next. Not a match-grade 1911, but smooth.

Some other locations in the same agency use Berettas, and I've heard tell of some H&Ks or SIGs. That's federal contracting for you.

I like Rugers. They're like Honda Accords or Toyota Camrys: not stylish, not flashy, but rock-solid reliable and will last forever.

Ruger revolvers usually get good coverage here. Ruger really hasn't made a compact auto until the LCP, so they haven't gotten a lot of attention for concealed carry.

I carry a P97DC, since I like the bigger hole. Concealment can be a challenge unless you dress around the gun, and there are far fewer holster options than for more popular guns. My next purchase will be a 1911, so I won't have to worry about availability of parts and accessories.

Issue carry at work is P89DAO (not my first choice, but the agency mandates a common caliber and platform).