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Soccerdad1995 wrote:

RossA wrote:

Jusme wrote: There is a principal, involved, and while, it's well within the officer's authority, to inquire about an LTC, to do so, just because, "he can spot someone carrying" is, in my opinion, not really justified. I have had nothing but positive interactions with LEO while carrying, and have only shown my LTC, when stopped for a traffic violation. I OC the majority, of the time, and have never been questioned by LEO. I believe that unless he had reason to do so, i.e. MWAG report etc. There was no reason to check your legality. I haven't been to the Alamo, in several years, was this a Texas State Trooper, who questioned you?

I have to disagree that a MWAG report is a reason for police to question someone anymore. It is perfectly reasonable for me to carry my gun either concealed or openly without having to answer to LE. In the old days, MWAG could almost be presumed to be illegal since we couldn't legally carry. Nowadays, MWAG is legally equivalent to "man with a car." Unless you see something additional besides the mere presence of a gun or a car, there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed. Thus, no reason for police to question me.

I would go further and say that a MWAG call, by itself is not sufficient reason for police to even respond to the call. Rather, I would hope that the person taking the call would ask further questions to determine if there actually might be a problem.

I like your analogy to a "man with a car" call. If I was to call 911 and say that I saw a man with a car, hopefully the operator would ask me why I thought that might be a problem. Is the man possibly drunk? Is he driving recklessly / aggressively? Did he smash the window and hotwire the car? Similar questions should be asked of anyone who makes a MWAG call, IMHO, unless another reason was volunteered by the caller (MWAG is threatening to kill people, etc).

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

striker55 wrote:While visiting the Alamo I checked for signs and not seeing any I went in. As I'm standing in the main room a trooper tapped my shoulder and asked if I had a license. I was a little shocked that he spotted me, I asked him if it wasn't allowed. He said only if I didn't have a license, he took me to the side and I proudly showed my ltc. I asked if I was showing, he said no that he could spot people carrying. Wished me a good day.

Unless the trooper had reason to believe that you were committing a crime, that was improper of him, I believe. I wonder if he randomly pulls over drivers to check on whether they have a driver's license?

Whether or not it is "proper," I don't have a problem with any LEO asking to see my license, anywhere. They are going to know at that point that I am not a BG. Not saying its right or wrong, I just don't care if they ask me.

To me it is about both the principal of the issue as well as a practical aspect.

I don't like LEO's or other assuming that I may have stolen the car I am driving because I am dirty from working in the yard, or assuming that I might be a felon because I am carrying a weapon, or anything in between. Then again I also (politely) decline to give permission to search my vehicle during a random traffic stop even if "I have nothing to hide".

nonleg wrote:Anyone that is sitting down that when moving to a standing position, tugs on one side of their shirt but not the other, is a giveaway. That's me constantly, but only after I've profiled everyone else in the theater two hours before, etc. I moved to OWB and cheap kydex holsters grab and bunch every piece of fabric within five inches of them.

When someone has a fade and you are too old to look like you're home on leave, I used to constantly check to see if I could catch someone with a shirt tugging in the wrong spot, etc. Then I just stopped caring, exactly like I expect people not to care if my shirt rides up a little and they catch the bottom of the holster at Home Depot, etc. The only time I care is when I'm in a situation or location in which I'm in "high yellow" potentially shifting to orange (ie, a potential developing threat or situation that hasn't been assessed well enough yet to sink back to regular yellow.)

I get really mindful when around LEOs in non rights friendly environments. ie, when I'm on Highway 6 on my way to Dallas from Houston, I have a real reasonable assumption that no LEO is going to profile me, but if I'm near the medical center in Houston, Dallas, etc., I start feeling like a criminal without doing anything wrong. I'm too old and too married to get into discussions about beating the wrap but not the ride and "precautionary" steps taken by Atlanta PD etc., and would rather just avoid it. (Atlanta is where I had the harassment beaten into my head through constant LEO interactions in a relatively small community when I first got licensed, which is why I constantly bring it up)

I know Texas isn't really used to OC yet, but the general pop and criminal pop are completely flipping oblivious to normal IWB *OC* carry in my experience (LA, GA, VA). (This is large frame semi-auto OC against a bright gold shirt in a full outdoor restaurant, etc.)

TL;DR: Your actions draw attention, not the inanimate presence of what appears to be a bunchy shirt in peripheral vision for CC. And for the girl in the picture, I'd only be worried about being able to clear the shirt from the holster, but good on her! Ammo on the other side I presume?

Pawpaw wrote:Question of the Day: Is Printing an Issue?

I think everyone will agree the woman in the picture is certainly "printing".

crazy2medic wrote:

aero10 wrote:Holster choice has a lot to do with it. I print a lot more using an OWB than with an IWB, but I carry OWB mostly with untucked shirt because most people are oblivious.

I open carry but I always wear an XL T-shirt for those places wear conceal carry is a necessity, I have spotted those that conceal carry it usually their shirt no moving the same on both sides, I have been clued in by a spare mag when the gun it's self was completely covered, but all said and done with open carry now legal, printing is a mute point