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Kind of ironic, that they are suing, "good guys with guns"
How many of the litigants, pushed to have guns taken away from law abiding citizens, and voted for those, who made it illegal for law abiding citizens to carry gun into the club?

These same people only want the police to have guns, then sue, when the police don't protect everyone. I am responsible for my own safety, so I refuse to patronize places, that are off limits, to LTC holders, because I cannot rely on, nor do I expect anyone else to protect me. If these people had put as much energy, into getting laws passed to allow carry, in more places, as they are, in trying to collect tax payer money, for their loss, this type of event would be less likely to happen in the future.
I sympathize with the victims, and my thoughts, have nothing to do with their sexual orientation. I believe the 2A, applies to all citizens, and the victims at this club, should have had the right to protect themselves. JMHO

bblhd672 wrote:

philip964 wrote:https://www.clickorlando.com/news/noor- ... -informant

Shooters father was a FBI informant. Showed up at a Hillary campaign event and positioned himself right behind Hillary as she spoke, so he was in all the photos and on TV. Apparently occurred weeks after the shooting.

The Orlando nightclub terrorist's dad was a secret FBI informant for more than a decade, prosecutors revealed, prompting questions about whether authorities may have missed warning signs leading up to the massacre.

Missed? Or ignored? Famous But Incompetent.

There was a lot of mention, of his presence at her speech. My question is, now, was he part of the left's collusion with the deep state, factions in the FBI, to help get HRC elected? Also, on who, or what was he informing? His entire reaction to his son's actions, were more than just a little bizarre. It's strange to me how, so many of these mass shooters, had ties to the federal government. The Orlando shooter worked for Homeland Security. The San Bernadino shooter had been investigated by the FBI, prior to the shooting. The Sutherland Springs shooter, was in the Air Force and his criminal history, was convieniently not reported to NICS. The FBI got several tips that the Florida high school shooter was going to do exactly what he did. Maybe I'm just looking for shadows on the grassy knoll, but with all of the info coming out about the weaponizing of the FISA court, and other shenanigans of the BHO cronies, could it be that allowing known threats to go about their business, would let the leftists push everyone to swallow the gun control agenda?
Just sayin......

philip964 wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florid ... story.html

Wife of Orlando mass murderer is missing.

Wife of Orlando mass murderer has been arrested at her home in San Fransisco.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/u ... eport.com/

Maybe she was confused about what sanctuary city now means. Speaking to the FBI with out an attorney present is dangerous to your freedom.

From what I read, and heard after the attack, she was fully aware of his intent, "claimed" she had tried to talk him out of it, but did nothing to stop it. I believe she also provided him transportation to the club that night, but that may be incorrect. Either way, she is just as culpable as the garbage she married. JMHO

cb1000rider wrote:

Jusme wrote: Did they just ask him if he was a terrorist, and since he said no they dropped it? I don't doubt at all that this was a coordinated attack, with him being the one to be martyred. I just can't believe, that as these investigations continue, how complicit people are and yet don't say anything. If I knew anyone was even contemplating something like this 911 would be lit up.

They asked him. He said that he was aligned with ISIS and Hezbollah. As those two groups are apparently incompatible, basically they assumed he was a wack-job and watched him for a while.

You can certainly fault the FBI retrospectively here. However, unless we all want to give up our gun rights without due process, I'm not sure what our government could have done other than guess a little better about another lone-wolf wack job. He didn't have any legitimate links to terrorist organizations beyond his own mouth.

I agree, I don't advocate bypassing due process, nor do I believe that anyone should be denied their right to own firearms, without a court order. But the fact, that now, apparently, there was someone who did, in fact, know of his plans, actually provided transportation for what was essentially a recon mission, and failed to do anything to prevent it, is an indication, similar to the San Bernardino case, that other were aware and, in my opinion are just as guilty of the murders as the shooter. This hearkens back to my original post on this topic, regarding members of the Islamic, faith, refusing to make their voices heard, and standing by silently as more of these attacks are carried out. While they may quietly say they are opposed to these attacks, they never vehemently denounce them, or the the perpetrators.
I apologize for the long run-on sentences, that's just the way my brain operates.

I know that the FBI, Homeland Security, and NSA have huge numbers of people to keep track of, but there seems to be a common thread among most of these terrorists, in that they all have made recent trips to the middle east, prior to their actions. I just wonder how thoroughly the FBI investigated this guy. Did they just ask him if he was a terrorist, and since he said no they dropped it? I don't doubt at all that this was a coordinated attack, with him being the one to be martyred. I just can't believe, that as these investigations continue, how complicit people are and yet don't say anything. If I knew anyone was even contemplating something like this 911 would be lit up.

suthdj wrote:Not sure if this has been covered, but remember that push for the terrorists watch list be added to NICS checks. Here is the way they will push it through.

That's what is sickening to me, the FBI had this guy in their sights twice, his coworkers said he spewed terroristic rhetoric, yet he was never placed on a watch list that has been revealed, and obviously even with his fathers public support of Al Qaeda, no one felt he was a threat, his ex-wife claims he was violent and beat her on a regular basis. But lets try to go after the law abiding gun owners, because they are easier to oppress.

mojo84 wrote:If he didn't use a scary looking gun he would have used a scary looking bomb. It's a shame so many are so simple minded to think it's the tool or method that is to blame.

They don't want to admit that the problem is the criminal/evil component, not the means used to accomplish the goal.

Adt123 wrote:Just saw the article below on Market Watch website. Many comments that we should be aware of.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-ti ... 2016-06-13

Welcome to the forum, I didn't see anything that is not a complete rehash of everything the left wing says any time there is a murder committed and the tool used was a gun. He didn't have a single original idea, and all he did was try to denigrate the NRA. What is his idea for keeping guns away from terrorists? He simply took a page from BHO speeches and changed the words around. He knows that no gun control legislation, would have stopped any of the terrorist attacks he mentioned, but it's just more left wing ramblings hoping to get his opinion in print.

I have been hesitant to post on this topic, firstly, because of my anger, secondly because my anger increases with each newscast, or published opinion by the media. Also my total and complete disgust with what our country has chosen to elect as a representative of the people, now knows no bounds.

I want to start out by thanking Beiruty, for his comments regarding the fact that the terrorist did not, and does not represent everyone of the Islamic faith. He stated so eloquently that this is not a religious issue, but rather a humanistic issue. I have seen so many Islamic clerics refuse to condemn these acts either out of fear of retaliation, or their complicity. These terrorists, do not care about a persons religious beliefs, nor do they adhere to a true religious following. This is an attack against the very fabric of American freedom, and everyone, no matter their ethnicity, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or their views on violence, must fight back, not with words and hand wringing, not with outreaches to join in a circle to sing Kum Bah Yah (forgive me if the spelling is incorrect) but with all of the force we can muster to meet these threats head on. These terrorists are, for lack of a better term, brainwashed into thinking that these acts will somehow change our way of life, make us give away our freedoms out of fear, and if these people want to try to hide behind Islam as their guiding force, then true believers, should, as Beiruty stated, stand up, fight back, make their condemnations heard around the world, so that those who hide in darkness, are outed, identified, and rooted out by whatever means necessary.

I'll get off my soap box now, I know that I am preaching to the choir with most of my statements, so forgive me my time to rant.