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by Jusme
Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:09 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

Abraham wrote:Jusme,

So, these pro-gun academics should lie low because speaking up pro-gun would be too much sacrifice?

I understand that being timid, meek and mild goes a long way to promote the anti-gun agenda.

Spare me your defense of the "Don't Rock The Boat or We'll Suffer Agenda".

You posted: "There is a very large contingent of campus carry advocates in the student population" - so let them carry the water, eh? They have so little to lose, while the pro-gun academics could, gulp, be in hot water... Oh my, my, we can't have that.

Ever consider that if more pro-gun academics spoke up it would greatly help the cause of being pro-self defense? Maybe if there were enough academic voices, it just might tone down the academic anti-gun folks?

As long as these pro-gun academics sit on their hands and let others speak up, while they remain mum, I remain disgusted by their gutlessness.

WildBill,

I would heartily agree if the anti-gun academics kept quiet, but they don't.

They clamor, rage, and rave against pro-gun self defense while the pro-gun academics don't look up from their reading, hoping like crazy they aren't called upon to stand up to the anti-gun zealots.

Therefore, it's incumbent upon the pro-gun academics to get off their duffs, reluctant as they are and speak up, cuz the anti's among them aren't gonna be quiet about their radical opinions.

Abraham I never insinuated that Sugarland Dave should not voice his opinion, I think he has done that, now whether he should take a public stance or not that is his choice to make and I will never criticize his decision one way or the other. My point was in response to your comment that it would make national news if he publicly came out as a pro campus carry advocate. We have all seen the treatment given to pro carry advocates and the media likes to lump everybody together with groups that carry AR15S and AK47S even though the new laws only apply to LTC holders, and handguns. You yourself have posted on other threads that you were tired of trying to convince others of the virtues of carrying, and were critical of UT personnel who expressed views in opposition of yours.
Why to you now advocate UT personnel publicly make statements because they are more in line with your views?

I don't have a dog in the hunt at UT I don't work there and none of my children have plans to attend there.

It really doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks about the campus carry law, it is the law, or will be in August.
by Jusme
Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:36 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

Abraham wrote:sugar land dave,

You posted: "it's only the loonies who make the news. There are plenty of sensible professors in many schools who are fine with firearms."

This rather reminds me of the few moderate Muslims insisting, it's only a very small minority of Muslims that are terrorists.

If what you posted is true, why then don't these sensible professors speak the heck up!

It would seem, they don't dare suffer the slings and arrows of voicing pro-gun opinion, i.e., they're a bunch of wimps!

My ire isn't directed at you, but I'm curious about they're lack of stance.

I'm inclined to think if a professor stood in favor of students being armed (or faculty for that matter) it would be in the national news.

What say you?

I don't know that Sugarland Dave or any other professor or UT official would be treated as anything but a gun nut by the media if they came in support of campus carry. Especially given the left wing media outlets pervasive in Austin. There is a very large contingent of campus carry advocates in the student population, and they don't receive any air time unless it's in a divisive article criticizing their advocacy.

I applaud Sugarland Dave for his support and the postings giving us an insider view of things, we only get one side of these issues by the proclamations of the UT President, and the resultant left wing spin by the media.
by Jusme
Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:51 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

Ruark wrote:Frustrating to see how the media slants the language to portray an inaccurate picture of what's going on: "....new policy allowing guns on campus." Nothing about license holders, carrying into buildings, etc. Just "allowing guns on campus."

Yeah it's the new crop of enrollees. 9mm, 45acp, 380, 357,and 44 mag they will all be coming in and signing up for classes. It's about time, equal education for firearms no more separate but equal. "rlol"
by Jusme
Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:51 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

MikeyJ wrote:
Jusme wrote:I guess I'm confused, doesn't everyone who works for UT have the right to resign? Are they being held prisoner? If everyone else is so concerned with the new law, which will allow a very small minority of students, and faculty to carry concealed firearms, why isn't there a mass exodus from Austin? I seriously doubt, that the University will have any difficulty in filling all of the vacancies. Utah is one state where there has been campus carry for years, I'll bet UT pays better than any of the colleges and universities there, those professors have been around armed students and have survived up till now, maybe they would like to move to a warmer climate. :tiphat:
It probably has a lot to do with loss of tenure. Faculty with tenure are very difficult to fire. If they leave, they'd likely need to wait a certain period of time before they were eligible for tenure at the new school. And if they teach in a field that has low demand, they might not be so easy to find a new gig.

That may be true, but they aren't saying "we don't like guns we won't carry one" They are saying "we don't like guns and because we are smarter than everyone else, we don't want the people that pay our salaries (students) to have guns" And now that one has found a job (tenure or no) he is using his departure as some kind of political statement, about a law that was duly passed by our elected legislators.

The e-mail posted by UTMacGuy, seems to indicate that if they do leave there are plenty of people out there willing to take their place. These professors seem to think that their position somehow lifts them above everyone else, but they are sadly mistaken. Also if they teach in a field that is low demand, why is there a job for them anyway? The laws of supply and demand should apply to college courses as much as any job I have ever held.
by Jusme
Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:34 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

UTMacGuy wrote:Maybe he's leaving because of Campus Carry - maybe not. In my opinion, I think it's more the UT President is cleaning house to put people he wants into key places and Fritz Steiner knew he was on the chopping block so he's trying to make a public statement. Otherwise, for him to leave UT for non-factual data showing Campus Carry would be a real threat shows how irrational people can be.

As for me, I've worked for UT for 25 years and I do plan to carry once the law takes effect and I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many people at UT already have a concealed handgun license.

Here are some excerpts from emails I've received from Gregory L. Fenves:

After a very thorough national search, I write to let the campus know that Jay Bernhardt will become permanent dean of the Moody College of Communication, effective March 1. Jay's leadership as interim dean, combined with the search committee's strong consensus and feedback from Moody faculty and staff, made it clear that he was the top choice for the deanship.

I am pleased to write you today with an announcement that after an extensive national search, Mr. Darrell Bazzell will join UT Austin as senior vice president and chief financial officer. Currently the vice chancellor for finance and administration at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Darrell has approximately 13 years of experience as CFO at a top-ranked flagship public university and 31 years in state government. His appointment at UT is effective April 18.

In my State of the University address in September, I said that UT has the ability to achieve a new level of undergraduate education at a research university, building on the university’s record of educational transformation. To help achieve that goal, I have appointed Dr. Jamie Pennebaker to lead that effort as the Executive Director of Project 2021 and Special Advisor to the Provost for Educational Innovation. He begins this new appointment immediately.

I am pleased to announce that Dr. Maurie McInnis of the University of Virginia has accepted my offer to serve as UT's new executive vice president and provost. Dr. McInnis was clearly the top candidate in an extensive national search. She begins her appointment as provost-designate immediately and assumes the role of provost July 1, 2016.

I am pleased to share with you that Jay Hartzell, the Trammell Crow Regents Professor in Business, has accepted my offer to become the new dean of the McCombs School of Business. His appointment begins Feb. 1, 2016, and he will hold the Centennial Chair in Business Education Leadership.

I write to inform you that Angela Evans has accepted my offer to serve as the new dean of the LBJ School of Public Affairs. Her appointment begins Jan. 16, 2016. As dean, Angela will be a fellow of the J.J. "Jake" Pickle Regents Chair in Public Affairs.

I am pleased to announce that Dr. Daniel Jaffe has accepted my offer to become UT's vice president for research. He will begin his appointment January 16, 2016.

Kinda puts to bed the argument that they won't be able to find people willing to work at UT because of all of the "gun nuts" on campus.
Thanks for posting it's good to know that not everyone there is so irrational.
by Jusme
Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:25 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns on c
Replies: 86
Views: 15975

Re: University of Texas dean quits school for job in Pennsylvania because of Lone Star state’s new policy allowing guns

I guess I'm confused, doesn't everyone who works for UT have the right to resign? Are they being held prisoner? If everyone else is so concerned with the new law, which will allow a very small minority of students, and faculty to carry concealed firearms, why isn't there a mass exodus from Austin? I seriously doubt, that the University will have any difficulty in filling all of the vacancies. Utah is one state where there has been campus carry for years, I'll bet UT pays better than any of the colleges and universities there, those professors have been around armed students and have survived up till now, maybe they would like to move to a warmer climate. :tiphat:

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