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by LucasMcCain
Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:15 pm
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Topic: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises

rotor wrote:I can see the issue being one of constitutional carry. Let some NRA types go to the Supreme Court and have them restore constitutional carry rights among all states. I like that better than having the feds pass a law that says there has to be reciprocity.
Soccerdad1995 wrote:By it's very nature, government (at all levels) will infringe on the rights of the governed. So I don't know that I would say the feds are "supposed to be protecting our rights" as mush as I would say that the constitution guarantees our rights and it is up to us to protect them from this natural tendency of the government.
:iagree: I agree with both of you on both of these points 1000%.
by LucasMcCain
Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:51 pm
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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises

Soccerdad1995 wrote:I can see a couple potential issues with national reciprocity.

First, we would presumably still allow states to set laws on where and even how you can carry. For example, in Texas, certain signs have the force of law to prevent carry. I can't see the feds requiring us to lessen this requirement for someone with an LTC issued from a state where signs do not carry force of law. So where do we draw the line? What if NY or CA says fine, you can carry, but only if a private property owner first obtains a sign explicitly allowing carry (kind of a reverse 30.06), and then the gun has to be state compliant, of course, and must not have a round in the chamber. Hollow points are banned, etc, etc. Maybe I am skeptical given the obstructionism we are seeing over the "fines for signs" law here.

Second, I am not sure I want the feds to have any control over where I can carry if it means that a future administration could go the other way and say that they can restrict my carry even if the state allows it. For this reason, I would much prefer that this happen as a result of a SCOTUS case than by executive order.
I too have fears of allowing the federal government to regulate any firearms issues. However, they already are. ACoE property, post offices, GFSZA (you're welcome, Scott), ATF, NICS, NFA, and the list goes on. The feds are supposed to be protecting our constitutional rights, not whittling away at them, or allowing the states to do so. If we've got an opportunity to get some protection for our rights out of the feds, I think we should go for it.
by LucasMcCain
Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:44 pm
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Topic: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises

rotor wrote:I am not arguing the constitutional right for abortion although the supreme court has interpreted this. And I really would like to be able to carry in my birth state, NY. I see the difficulty with Trump trying to argue that the feds should control the states over gun rights and the states should control abortion rights and the feds should be out. The supreme court has upheld abortion as a constitutional right, at least for now. I doubt that it will be taken away.
It's a fair point that SCOTUS has ruled abortion a constitutional right. I don't personally believe it is, but it is currently the law of the land. I think I see what you're saying, that it would be a hard sell. However, the 2A is a right that is currently being taken away and infringed. Changing this would involve protecting people's rights. Abortion is currently being viewed as a right, and the goal is to take away that right. I think the gun law changes would be an easier sell overall. I could certainly be wrong, though. I've often been wrong about a variety of things.

However, if we're just talking about what we want, then yes. I want national reciprocity. Really, I want constitutional carry. I want anyone who can legally own a gun to be able to carry that gun any way they want, pretty much anywhere they want.
by LucasMcCain
Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:19 pm
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Topic: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises

parabelum wrote:Lets see what he actually does after inauguration.

If he doesn't deliver and forgets what got him elected, then We the people will throw him out.

But in the meantime, again, let's wait-and-see. For now let's just enjoy watching the Libs cry.
Am I a bad person for how much I'm enjoying all the liberal tears? We've just been bullied and lied to for so long; I'm really enjoying seeing and hearing all the bullies and liars pout and cry and throw their little tantrums.
by LucasMcCain
Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:14 pm
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Topic: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises
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Re: Trump learns politics - starts backtracking on campaign promises

rotor wrote:Do you really want national reciprocity? You can't argue that each state should control abortions but the feds should control gun carry reciprocity. Some things better left to the states. You don't like Commiefornia, move.
False equivalency. There is no constitutionally guaranteed right to abortions. There is a constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms. That right is currently being infringed by the states unconstitutionally. It's the duty of the federal government to do something about that. Abortion should be regulated by the states, as it is not a constitutional right, there is no power given specifically to the federal government to regulate it, and support for it varies drastically from state to state.

I know these are sensitive subjects. Please don't take this as an attack. It's really not. Just discussion.

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