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Soccerdad1995 wrote:

LucasMcCain wrote:I'm not extremely well versed in property law and such, but I'm not entirely sure this is correct. No shirt, no shoes, no service comes to mind. As do restrictions at concert venues and stadiums and the like. Look at the FAQ for whatever they're calling Starplex in Fair Park now. There are tons of restricted items that will get you ejected if you're found with them inside. Now I realize that in those instances you will not be charged with criminal trespass. However, could you be if you refused to leave? Under what authority would you be removed from the property by law enforcement if not trespassing?

Please don't think I'm trying to argue. I'm certainly not. Just trying to add to the discussion, as I really don't know the answers to the questions I pose. I'm also still pretty unclear on just what types of qualifiers can be used to charge someone with trespassing.

The big difference here in my mind is whether you can be charged with criminal trespass BEFORE you are told to leave. In the examples you cite, the property owner / operator figures out that you have something you are not allowed to have and asks you to leave. If you refuse to leave you would be guilty of trespass. But only if you refuse to leave. I would be 100% fine with this being the standard for guns as well.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:I agree with you on the ability to control who enters my property. But I think you are missing my point.

As it stands, I can restrict every single person from entering my property if I so desire. And I think that is a great thing. I can also invite someone onto my property and then tell them to leave if they do something I don't like, or I just change my mind. Again, I think that is a great thing.

But I cannot tell someone that they can enter my property only if they have the following 3 items, and only if they do not have these two other items, and then have them arrested for trespassing if it turns out that they really had something I told them not to bring. The ONLY exception is for guns. If we want to let property owners issue a conditional invitation and have people arrested for trespass if they don't adhere to those conditions, then fine, I get that. But why is this only the case for guns and not for anything else?