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MeMelYup wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:
If the sign was supposed to be a BLUE sign (i.e. the license issued for <51%) from the beginning and TABC, said to post a RED, then the removal of the sign is not making, it legal to carry. It was always legal to carry, they just eliminated the sign saying that it was...

You are correct. But I wonder if a deputy would give me time to look up the liquor license on the TABC website and show him they were supposed to have a blue sign before they put me in handcuffs? I don't want to be the test case, ain't nobody got time for that. And by the way, I found out they posted the 51% on their own to keep guns out. TABC threatened to fine them if they didn't take it down (due to my complaint). They also are too ignorant to know about 30.06/30.07 as of yet. And I'm sure not going to tell them.

If you look at the certificate the business is required to post, it states on it red or blue.

If they posted a certificate, which I doubt, I sure haven't seen it. But that's good to keep in mind. Thanks.

ScottDLS wrote:
If the sign was supposed to be a BLUE sign (i.e. the license issued for <51%) from the beginning and TABC, said to post a RED, then the removal of the sign is not making, it legal to carry. It was always legal to carry, they just eliminated the sign saying that it was...

You are correct. But I wonder if a deputy would give me time to look up the liquor license on the TABC website and show him they were supposed to have a blue sign before they put me in handcuffs? I don't want to be the test case, ain't nobody got time for that. And by the way, I found out they posted the 51% on their own to keep guns out. TABC threatened to fine them if they didn't take it down (due to my complaint). They also are too ignorant to know about 30.06/30.07 as of yet. And I'm sure not going to tell them.

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:This post stayed idle for 4 months. I brought it back to life with an update to report that another sign had come down, and it was now legal for license holders to carry in another business. But, the comments that have been added since my report are just continuing an argument about the TABC. I guess I was naive to expect that this community would be happy to know that another sign came down, and that the TABC did the right thing.

Still like to see inappropriate signs removed.

Just stirring the pot.

This post stayed idle for 4 months. I brought it back to life with an update to report that another sign had come down, and it was now legal for license holders to carry in another business. But, the comments that have been added since my report are just continuing an argument about the TABC. I guess I was naive to expect that this community would be happy to know that another sign came down, and that the TABC did the right thing.

It took from August 10 until this week, that's 4 months, but now a friend just told me they have blue TABC signs in several locations and the 51% sign is gone! I guess the TABC complaint worked, but it sure took a while. Now I will be able to take the wife back in there to eat.

LosAlce wrote:From conversations I've had with my local rural bar and grill, despite not actually being a 51% establishment, the TABC told them to still post the sign since they applied for an extended license to sell alcohol until 2am. Their grill closes at 9pm. I wish I could remember the conversation now.

They did NOT want to post it, but they also didn't want any trouble from the TABC. Thankfully since our town is so tiny they said they didn't care if people CC inside but they are dubious of outsiders.

I hope that is not what happened here. This little place serves a really good breakfast, which is mainly when the wife and I go there. I also sometimes go there for lunch on weekends when the misses is out shopping. I know they have live music on weekend nights but they close at 11 and serve food until 10.

Skiprr wrote:A recommendation: Do report them to TABC (https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/enforcemen ... cation.asp), but when you complete the form make no mention of your 2A rights or LTC issues. Simply state that the facility has the red 51% sign posted and, based on your search of TABC records, you believe that to be incorrect signage.

OOps, too late. I already filed the report.

Thank you forum members. I did not know the TABC had a system on line for reporting the wrong signs. I have just now filled out a report.

Thanks again.

There is a bar and grill not too far from where I live in a rural area. They have good food, and the wife and I like to go there a couple of times a month. I have CC or OC there every time I go. When I OC no one has said anything to me at all.

The other day I was talking to a young friend who just took his LTC course, and he mentioned that he had a niece that bartended at this restaurant and had asked her if they had any signs about guns posted. He was planning ahead for when he gets his plastic, and just wanted to know if he could carry there. She then texted him their sign, and he showed it to me while we were having a discussion. Boy was I surprised to see the sign was a 51% sign! I had never noticed it during all the times that I carried there. I asked him to find out where the sign was, and she told him it was on the wall behind the bar.

When the wife and I eat there, I have never sat at the bar so I never saw the sign. But, the bar and the restaurant are just one area with the bar along one wall and there is no partition wall or anything between the bar stools and the rest of the seating. It is not a big place, maybe seats 40 - 50 in the restaurant seating area and another 8 -10 on the bar stools.

Today, I looked them up on the TABC website and found they are supposed to post the blue sign, not the 51% sign. Knowing something about the owners, it would not surprise me at all if they had not put up this sign to keep guns out even thought there license does not require it. The possibility also exists that the sign is left over from a previous term on their license, and their mix of food to alcohol has now changed.

I like this place, and so does the wife. Living in a rural area we don't have much to choose from in the way of restaurants, and they have the best food for 20 miles. I don't want to be unarmed, and I certainly don't want to carry past a 51% sign. I can just see myself arguing with the local constable about how I knew that the sign was invalid.

How would you handle this? I'm looking for advice here. If I show them why I know they have up the wrong sign, there is a big risk that they will just put up 30.06/30.07 signs.