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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:23 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:45 pm There is a quote "to a hammer everything is a nail".

I hope it is repeated over and over to the police cadets that everyone is not a bad guy. Protect and Serve.

I am an armchair quarterback now, but if your are trying to sneak into the backyard so that when someone does announce "Police" at the front door, you can catch the bad guy leaving from a rear entrance, why do you have your flashlight on and not ducking under windows.

It seems shining your flashlight into a window, while standing in the middle of a bedroom window, at 2:30 in the morning, is a good way to get shot by a bad guy or a homeowner.

RIP great Auntie.

If that were going down in my back yard I would go full blown tactical inside my home. I would arm myself with my 12 gage. I would avoid all windows and doors while remaining low to the ground and stay concealed as possible. It would never enter my mid that a cop was in my yard. Maybe it would now but before now it wouldn't have.

This would trigger an emergency response for me.

My bedroom curtains are closed at night, but I can see a flashlight through them if someone is poking around my yard. In this case, I might also be woken up by my dog going nuts. I would get the long gun from my bedside safe, give my wife the shotgun, and possibly also the revolver, and instruct her to get to the closet and call 911 while I moved to the living room, staying behind cover. We have full length windows in the living room, and if I saw a guy creeping around that corner with a gun in his hand, things might well end with one of us shot. It's about a 25 yard shot, and I'm not likely to miss with an AR that has a 4X ACOG sitting on it.

I might not be able to choose inaction at that point since my dog would likely be attacking the perp (doggie door to the backyard), and my son could also wander into harms way if he woke up. He has to traverse a catwalk that is in full view of those windows in order to get to the stairs from his room, and his first instinct would be to get to his mom, I believe.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:27 pm I for one am more interested in the penalty for the Ft Worth police department. They are just as guilty as he is. This was a dad gummed wellness check! What the heck is with the way they approached the call? That easily could have been any one of us. I know I am not the only one who might have a gun in his hand in my own darned home!

Whoever made the decision to respond in this manner bears at least some responsibility for the ultimate outcome. I think there is at least one more person who needs to be criminally charged in this case.

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:08 am I don't think it is overcharging. Apparently the suspect in this case refuses to cooperate with police, which is his right. But that also means there is no way to determine his motives for the killing. Based solely on the facts, and assuming the worst possible motive, murder seems like an appropriate charge.

Any lesser charge would require a belief that the shooting was accidental, etc., but that is really hard to show if the suspect is not saying anything.

He may have learned something from watching the Amber Guyger incident and trial. He may also be totally aware the worst thing you can do is talk to the police, as has been discussed here many times.

Don't talk to police until you have conferred with an attorney, and have an attorney present, and advising you, during all police interactions. Period.

I'm just saying that based on the facts that have been reported, murder does not appear to be an overcharge. Any lesser charge would require some mitigating factors, which have not come to light as of yet.

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:13 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... SIGNS.html

Full blown murder.

That seems over charging. But mayoral elections are soon.

How many shots did he fire, if one, he could have had his finger on the trigger and she startled him.

I don't think it is overcharging. Apparently the suspect in this case refuses to cooperate with police, which is his right. But that also means there is no way to determine his motives for the killing. Based solely on the facts, and assuming the worst possible motive, murder seems like an appropriate charge.

Any lesser charge would require a belief that the shooting was accidental, etc., but that is really hard to show if the suspect is not saying anything.