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Caliber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:12 pm

Maxwell wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:03 pm The 4 things I always have in a traffic stop are: My DL, my LTC, my auto insurance card, and a little patience and respect for the LEO.

I forgot my wallet once while carrying. As soon as I realized it I took the holster off and put everything in the console.

Like others have suggested I carry my DL & LTC (and insurance card) in the same place in my wallet. I can't pull one out without the other.

You did not have to put the gun in your console. You can have it anywhere inside the vehicle including on your person as long as it's not in plain view.

I think this gets back to the question of whether you are always carrying under the authority of your LTC, even when you can legally carry under other authority such as the MPA.

Flightmare wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:52 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 pm There is no longer a penalty for failing to show it, but I believe you do need to have it if carrying. There would be an interesting situation if you were in a vehicle, though, because you don't need to have an LTC at all to carry under MPA. It would get even more convoluted if there was another adult in the car with you, since they could be carrying that same gun under MPA (thinking of after you put your gun in the center console or such).

To take an extreme case, let's say you leave the house unarmed and catch a ride somewhere with your buddy who doesn't have an LTC. Buddy has a gun in his glove box which is closer to you than it is to him. Would you need to have your LTC then? I think not, because even though the gun is "on or about your person" you would be carrying under MPA, albeit unknowingly. Same should apply to other situations where a gun is "on or about your person" IMHO. But then again, IANAL, and I did NOT sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I believe that in order to qualify under the MPA, the vehicle needs to be a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control. Therefore being a passenger in a friend's car would not qualify under the MPA. I welcome a correction if I'm wrong.

Interesting. So in my hypothetical where your friend likes to keep his handgun in the glove box, which is literally inches from the passenger's hands, I wonder if the non-LTC passenger would actually be legal? It seems like it would be difficult to say that a gun which is sitting in an unlocked container inches from your hands is not "on or about your person".

Come to think of it, that's probably a very bad place for anyone to keep their handgun in the first place. What if they give a co-worker a ride to lunch and the co-worker just happens to have a felony conviction in his past? The driver may not know about the past felony, and the co-worker may not know about the gun. Could be a bad situation all around.

I actually had a strange situation just this past Sunday. I was leaving a casino in LA and realized that I had forgotten to cash a slot ticket. So I pulled up to the valet area at the front with the intention of just running in and leaving my wife in the car. Problem is that my gun was in the car, and it's not allowed in the casino in that state (I believe). I also believe there is no MPA in LA. So my choices were to either go park the car, or ask my wife to run in and cash the ticket for me. I did the latter. She wasn't overly pleased.

There is no longer a penalty for failing to show it, but I believe you do need to have it if carrying. There would be an interesting situation if you were in a vehicle, though, because you don't need to have an LTC at all to carry under MPA. It would get even more convoluted if there was another adult in the car with you, since they could be carrying that same gun under MPA (thinking of after you put your gun in the center console or such).

To take an extreme case, let's say you leave the house unarmed and catch a ride somewhere with your buddy who doesn't have an LTC. Buddy has a gun in his glove box which is closer to you than it is to him. Would you need to have your LTC then? I think not, because even though the gun is "on or about your person" you would be carrying under MPA, albeit unknowingly. Same should apply to other situations where a gun is "on or about your person" IMHO. But then again, IANAL, and I did NOT sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.