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Grundy1133 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:12 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:58 pm I don't agree with your premise that one must follow every order given by LEO as this can get you killed. LEO are not The Gestapo. There will be no going to a judge to argue your case if you are dead. There have been sexual assaults by LEO that never should be occurring. If a LEO, as in this case, breaks into your house as she did you are legally able to protect yourself and shoot before she shoots. Her uniform does not give her immunity. It may be a tough fight afterwards with the legal system but at least you are still alive. Is there any question that the victim in this case would have been legally correct if he killed the invading LEO?

Whether or not her uniform gives her immunity was never the question or issue. It was that IF she was telling him to do something like, get on the ground or something to the like, you do it. and afterward if you feel your rights have been violated you can then press charges. because the fact of the matter was she had a gun and he didnt. in my experience when you're unarmed, if you want to stay alive you do what the person with the gun says... HOWEVER if she DIDNT say anything but just pulled her gun and shot, then yes i think if he was armed, he would have been within his legal rights to fire on her before she fired on him. imagine the same scenario, only the LEO was just a avg citizen. the victim would have been within his legal rights in defending himself.

First off, the victim in Dallas would have been within his rights to shoot the armed trespasser regardless of whether she pulled her gun, or said anything. The shooter here was the victim's employee. Let's not pretend that she should have more rights than the people she works for. Just ask yourself, "would the cop have been within her rights to shoot an armed intruder who entered her home?" That gives you your answer.

I agree with you that if you are unarmed (as I believe was the case here), and you can not easily escape, then it is best to comply with the demands of the armed person, whether that person is a cop or just an armed BG. Your goal is simply survival. Let the cops deal with the person who caused you harm (even if that person is a cop). By choosing to be unarmed, you have given up other avenues that you could otherwise take.

In the case we are talking about, it would have been much better if the victim had been armed, as that would have given him additional options to employ against the home invader. And using deadly force might have been a reasonable option to employ.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:28 pm If you see a cop in uniform fiddling with your door lock at night and you know it's your apartment....then you may be safer emptying a mag of .223 through the door, and asking questions later. While you may end up in jail, if you open the door you could end up dead.

Now on the other hand if a cop orders you to dance an Irish Jig, you had better start dancin'. Leave it to the judge to hear that you're Czech not, Irish, hence can only dance a Polka.

Just be careful if the cop is the one doing the dancing. Especially if he's a fed.

Your statement in the OP that a citizen should just comply with unlawful LEO commands is accurate. And the fact that it is accurate sums up what has gone wrong with this country pretty concisely, IMHO.