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Abraham wrote: ↑Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:15 pm Soccerdad1995,

My Ruger 101 revolver failed me once.

Why?

The case of the cartridge for reasons unknown to me had expanded slightly apparently after being loaded into the chamber some months previously.

Thus, when I pulled the trigger it jammed, that is, it wouldn't revolve or rotate if you will.

I was astounded.

A revolver failed - So, revolvers aren't 'quite' as foolproof as we'd all like to think.

I've heard of this same thing as well. Still a lot fewer points of failure for a revolver than a semi-auto. DA Revolvers are also nice in that the standard malfunction drill is just to pull the trigger again, which is nice if an inexperienced shooter might need to use the weapon (spouse, etc).

It would be interesting to figure out the absolute most reliable firearm platform. I'm guessing a single shot shotgun, or a bolt action have to be close to the top?

rotor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:08 pm

Liberty wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:45 am I would never trust a 1911 because of reliability issues with defensive ammo nor a Glock's and their ilk because of their reputation for shooting the people they are meant to protect. Others don't worry about such things. That's OK, but for me, I carry because of the tiny odds I'm going to need it. It makes no sense to play the odds with unsafe or unreliable weapons.

Some people put little importance to being drop safe. The thing is most people aren't that drop safe. We get into car accidents we fall, and things fall onto us. It's one thing to take a gun that might not be 100% drop safe to the range, but on one's persons while working driving etc. is a risk I wouldn't want to take. like everything in life though we make choices.

I have a full size Ruger SR1911 that has never skipped a beat but if I would carry for absolute "it will work" I carry a Glock 21 when I go .45ACP (and more capacity). For my truck gun as I don't care if it gets stolen it's the Taurus G2 Millenium (the one with the key lock-not the newer model as ihe older one has a lifetime warranty). I compare it to my Glock 26 but it has a safety and re-strike capability. Pretty good gun for the money.

I didn't like the feel of the P365 in my hands but my wife's favorite is the P320 Romeo and it did go back for the fix and is great. I might consider a P365 in a year.

My 1911's are among the most reliable guns I own. I am a stickler for reliability. Any more than a one in 500 failure rate is too high, IMHO. My 1911's are at least as good as this, some better (and a few where I have less than 500 rounds fired).

That said, I have a revolver in my car, and another revolver near my bed. Just in case I need a gun that will work with absolute certainty, every single time. No semi-auto has that level of reliability, IMHO.

Here is my report.

I picked up my P365 last Wednesday from my FFL. I had ordered it about a week prior from Buds.

Field stripped and cleaned it. I noticed that it was VERY difficult to remove the slide from the frame. So much so that I was tempted to grab a mallet and give it a whack (but ultimately didn't). Last Friday, shot 200 rounds of Federal FMJ. No issues at all. Very accurate and very easy to shoot. Cleaned it over the weekend. Still hard to remove the slide, but a little better.

Today, I took it to the range again. First 29 rounds = no issues at all. Very accurate. On round 230, dead trigger. Exactly like the video posted upthread. Racked the slide, inserted a new mag. Nope, trigger still dead. Cleared it, and racked slide several more times. No dice.

Just got off the phone with customer support. Explained the issue, and they sent me a prepaid shipping label to return it. I'll hopefully get to the Fed Ex facility tomorrow. I need to also drop off another gun for warranty repair (that one is a Walther), and need to send my Taurus for the recall. That reminds me, I need to see if my Sub2000 is included in their recall before making the trip. I wonder if FedEx will look at me weird if I am shipping 4 different guns? I must be having bad luck with guns lately. Need to stick to my reliable 1911's.

Net-net, if you are looking at this as a carry gun, don't get it yet. Wait til they work out the bugs. But if you have several carry guns and want to try your luck, then go ahead and pick one up. Just shoot 3-4 times more rounds than you normally would before you start carrying it. Worst case, you will need to make a couple trips to your local FedEx facility, and will need to make a phone call. This really is a cool little gun. Once they get the kinks worked out, it will definitely be a keeper, IMHO.

cmgee67 wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 3:35 pm

John Galt wrote:I held one the other day and decided that I will stick with my 43(with either of a 7 or 8 round mag). If I want more rounds than that, I will just carry my FNS 9c (12 rounds with the shorter mag).

But if I want more I carry a Glock 19.

I have heard sigs customer service is really good as well but should there be something said about most sig owners I know end up sending their guns in a lot more than say everyone else I know who shoots Glock? Sorry I had to stir the pot.

It depends on the individual gun I would guess, unless there are some official stats available. Glocks do have a good reputation for reliability, but I have had to send a Glock back. And I had to send a Sig back. I've owned roughly the same number of guns from both brands.

If I had to guess, based only on reputation, I would probably guess that Glocks have the lowest failure rate of any mass produced semi-auto. But I have no stats to back that up.

This gun is definitely having issues. But I still ordered one as soon as I could find it in stock. It won't be my only gun, so I have others I can carry if this one has issues. And I have always had good experiences with Sig CS. So I guess we will see.

As Flechero said above, there are trade-off with guns. Reliability versus accuracy is one. Concealability versus shootability is another one. Everyone needs to find that Goldilocks solution that is "just right" for them. If you are willing to practice with your gun and have the time to keep it meticulously clean / maintained, then you can get a gun that is more "difficult" to shoot, and may have a reputation for less reliability (from tighter tolerances). The key is to be honest about what you want, and how you are going to use it. If you are only going to get to the range once a month, or less, and you hate cleaning guns, then get a Glock, or a revolver. You will still be accurate enough at most SD shooting distances.

Personally, I am intrigued by the P365. It seems like it might fit very nicely in my carry rotation.

flechero wrote:

MaduroBU wrote:I have not been impressed by Sig of late. It used to be the tool of professionals, but now it seems that they surrendered that in favor of marketing to portray that image.

The P365 looks perfect on paper, but I am suspicious of it. With a G43, I can print two 8" circles at 10 yards...one center mass and one low left when I start flinching. And that's with cheapo 115 grain blasting ammo. I can chew the middle out of a target at 25 yards with a 357 Sig which makes 2.5x the muzzle energy from a 40 oz all stainless pistol, so it's not exactly recoil sensitivity. I think that polymer frame pistols produce very snappy recoil which makes it very tough for me to get back on targey quickly.

The P365 seems to be better than my P232 stainless in every way....until I start shooting it. I get that my comments are far from universally applicable, but I feel that I cannot be the only person who feels that way.

Your comments are common of many people shooting a lightweight, small framed pistol. But I would bet my wallet that the gun wasn't the difference... same thing would happen with a 365 as a CM9, PF9, LC9, G43, etc.

I can shoot PF9's and LC9 decently, but I have had them for years and have a lot of trigger time on them. Even still, I shoot them a little slower than I can a full size gun, or even a 4" officers framed 1911. That's the trade off in concealed carry, for those of us that have to conceal. The small guns are easier to carry, but harder to shoot. Compound that with most guys take the full size gun to the range and dial in with that and only occasionally shoot the little carry gun. I think people should start and finish each range session with the carry gun.

I'd love a small, all steel gun with a good trigger... but there are VERY few of those to be had and they are expensive. I can carry extra weight better than I can conceal a larger gun.

The S&W model 60 fits that bill nicely. As long as you don't mind carrying a revolver.

I've seen a number of reviewers state that the 365 is replacing the P938 in their carry rotation. That makes me very intrigued. I went through the Kahr PM9, Glock 42/43, and a multitude of others before finally deciding on the P938 for my "tiny gun" spot in the rotation. Looks like I will need to do a head to head compare between my 938 and the 365, if I can ever manage to get my hands on one.

I don't have guns that are "ammo sensitive" with the exception of .22lr semi-autos where there are no real alternatives that will reliably cycle SV ammo. For my center fire guns, I want a gun that will work with all ammo.