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by Soccerdad1995
Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:28 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Where are all of the "printers"?
Replies: 48
Views: 10297

Re: Where are all of the "printers"?

RossA wrote:
Jusme wrote: There is a principal, involved, and while, it's well within the officer's authority, to inquire about an LTC, to do so, just because, "he can spot someone carrying" is, in my opinion, not really justified. I have had nothing but positive interactions with LEO while carrying, and have only shown my LTC, when stopped for a traffic violation. I OC the majority, of the time, and have never been questioned by LEO. I believe that unless he had reason to do so, i.e. MWAG report etc. There was no reason to check your legality. I haven't been to the Alamo, in several years, was this a Texas State Trooper, who questioned you?
I have to disagree that a MWAG report is a reason for police to question someone anymore. It is perfectly reasonable for me to carry my gun either concealed or openly without having to answer to LE. In the old days, MWAG could almost be presumed to be illegal since we couldn't legally carry. Nowadays, MWAG is legally equivalent to "man with a car." Unless you see something additional besides the mere presence of a gun or a car, there is no reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed. Thus, no reason for police to question me.
:iagree:

I would go further and say that a MWAG call, by itself is not sufficient reason for police to even respond to the call. Rather, I would hope that the person taking the call would ask further questions to determine if there actually might be a problem.

I like your analogy to a "man with a car" call. If I was to call 911 and say that I saw a man with a car, hopefully the operator would ask me why I thought that might be a problem. Is the man possibly drunk? Is he driving recklessly / aggressively? Did he smash the window and hotwire the car? Similar questions should be asked of anyone who makes a MWAG call, IMHO, unless another reason was volunteered by the caller (MWAG is threatening to kill people, etc).
by Soccerdad1995
Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Where are all of the "printers"?
Replies: 48
Views: 10297

Re: Where are all of the "printers"?

Lynyrd wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
striker55 wrote:While visiting the Alamo I checked for signs and not seeing any I went in. As I'm standing in the main room a trooper tapped my shoulder and asked if I had a license. I was a little shocked that he spotted me, I asked him if it wasn't allowed. He said only if I didn't have a license, he took me to the side and I proudly showed my ltc. I asked if I was showing, he said no that he could spot people carrying. Wished me a good day.
Unless the trooper had reason to believe that you were committing a crime, that was improper of him, I believe. I wonder if he randomly pulls over drivers to check on whether they have a driver's license?
Whether or not it is "proper," I don't have a problem with any LEO asking to see my license, anywhere. They are going to know at that point that I am not a BG. Not saying its right or wrong, I just don't care if they ask me.
To me it is about both the principal of the issue as well as a practical aspect.

I don't like LEO's or other assuming that I may have stolen the car I am driving because I am dirty from working in the yard, or assuming that I might be a felon because I am carrying a weapon, or anything in between. Then again I also (politely) decline to give permission to search my vehicle during a random traffic stop even if "I have nothing to hide".
by Soccerdad1995
Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:43 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Where are all of the "printers"?
Replies: 48
Views: 10297

Re: Where are all of the "printers"?

striker55 wrote:While visiting the Alamo I checked for signs and not seeing any I went in. As I'm standing in the main room a trooper tapped my shoulder and asked if I had a license. I was a little shocked that he spotted me, I asked him if it wasn't allowed. He said only if I didn't have a license, he took me to the side and I proudly showed my ltc. I asked if I was showing, he said no that he could spot people carrying. Wished me a good day.
Unless the trooper had reason to believe that you were committing a crime, that was improper of him, I believe. I wonder if he randomly pulls over drivers to check on whether they have a driver's license?
by Soccerdad1995
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Where are all of the "printers"?
Replies: 48
Views: 10297

Re: Where are all of the "printers"?

Beiruty wrote:Does not matter anymore as for as CC in Texas
Legally, you are correct, but there are situations where I might desire to keep the presence of my legally carried concealed weapon secret. In those cases, I will take care to carry a smaller weapon, use IWB or pocket carry, or wear a larger shirt.
by Soccerdad1995
Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:09 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Where are all of the "printers"?
Replies: 48
Views: 10297

Re: Where are all of the "printers"?

I am pretty good at spotting folks who are printing, but my wife is much better than I am. She will frequently call to my attention that someone is carrying, and sure enough after looking closer I can see it as well. For me, it starts by doing a bit of profiling. I notice people (usually men) who are exhibiting good SA (aware of their surroundings and nit just staring at their phones, etc). I then look at their right waist band closely, and if there is no bulge at all, will check their watch hand to see if they are left handed, etc. It is MUCH easier to spot a bulge if they are seated, especially if they are facing away from me on a stool.

That said, I have not seen anyone who was obviously printing.

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