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by Soccerdad1995
Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:40 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Effective objecting
Replies: 13
Views: 3463

Re: Effective objecting

aero10 wrote:
LucasMcCain wrote:The Taco Cabana near me has a little sign on the door just politely asking that their patrons not carry openly. No 30.07 or other signage, so there is no legal effect for missing it. Though I open carry much of the time now, I have no problem with this approach.
I've seen similar signs a Pollo Tropical. Honestly, if I owned a business, I'd probably post a similar sign, but then again I'm not a huge OC fan in the first place.
I am a fan of OC, although I am most often "loosely CC" meaning that I will untuck my shirt but won't really care if it doesn't completely conceal the bottom of my OWB holster or if I print a bunch (unless there is a 30.07 sign, of course). That said, if I ran a business, and I thought I was losing a significant amount of revenue because of OC, I would post a non-compliant 30.07 type sign, and instruct my employees to politely ask anyone OC'ing to cover their weapon. I would also have them do the same thing for someone who was dressed in an inappropriate manner. Maybe have a cute sign saying something like "Please cover your buns, and your guns".

There is no way I would ever post a valid 30.06 sign. If it came to that, I would just post something that looked close enough to placate the MDA crowd while subtly letting LTC holders know that they were OK to carry.
by Soccerdad1995
Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Effective objecting
Replies: 13
Views: 3463

Re: Effective objecting

I was just recently unpleasantly surprised that the Daily Grill in the Houston Galleria is posted with both signs. Full disclosure, the signs are on the side walls as you walk in. I'm not debating their validity here. I used the "contact us" to share my experience of having planned to have lunch there with my wife, and then deciding to eat elsewhere due to the signs. I also mentioned that their location inside of a mall increased the likelihood of violence / need to be prepared for self defense.

I agree with others that you should avoid hyperbole, and also recommend that you personalize it a bit with your actual story, preference to spend money there, and your decision to go to their competitors due to their signage. The less it feels like a form letter, the better.

Ultimately, businesses are usually run by business people who are focused on profits above most everything else. Appeal to their sense of greed instead of trying to convince them of the merits of the second amendment. If they are willing to lose money due to a passionate hatred of the RKBA, then they are a lost cause regardless.

From the business owners' perspective, they need to balance not scaring the gun fearing folks while not offending the gun carrying folks. Personally, I think the approach that Buffalo Wild Wings has taken is interesting. They post an obviously non-compliant sign to placate uninformed gun haters, while doing nothing to deter LTC holders who want to CC. I respect their situation by not OC'ing there even though it would be legal.

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