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by Soccerdad1995
Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:05 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real
Replies: 55
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Re: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real

treadlightly wrote:I'm afraid the only secession we could ever see is a hearts and minds secession like TAM mentioned, and at that only by a discreet, timid minority. An informal, unannounced secession remaining outwardly obedient to a suzerain Federal government, if I'm using the term correctly. Hopefully in such circumstances hollow allegiance to the Federal government would be balanced by unshakable true faith and defense, by the people at large, of what the federal government betrayed.

But, unfortunately, secession is unthinkable.

America's present utter unwillingness to consider secession in a pleasant light lets the Feds know they can do anything, absolutely anything, and only a minority would refuse to cooperate. In terrible extreme some sick few would always support tyranny and most of those opposed would say secession is axiomatically unthinkable.

To me that raises a red flag. This country was created with the violent overthrow of Britain's self-perceieved lawful government. Should our federal government be more at liberty to abuse authority than King George?

If talk of secession is crazy, if secession can only be avoided by taboo, then the country is lost and secession is the remaining salvation.

Say that secession is unthinkable, guarantee its inevitability.

In the present context the government could start gunning down citizens at the old North Bridge at high noon and calm, reasoned intellectual reaction on conservative talk radio would be secession is unthinkable. In fact, I believe there was much of that kind of talk in 1776. Fortunately, it didn't prevail.

Let Obama and whoever follows him scramble to end this silly talk of the necessity to dissolve political bands. Let Washington work to prove it is worthy to caretake freedom. If that could come to pass, wouldn't that be a good thing? Isn't it possible that the putative insanity of secession might be the only possible damper on federal excess?

i don't want secession, but I think I might like a government mindful not to test the prospect.

The challenge is to find Jeffersons and Washingtons to champion the cause, and to keep the tin foil hats out.

Texas secede? I'm all for it, particularly if we could also secede from Austin. Better than that, I would prefer for talk of secession to be made moot by a healed and repaired federal government, bound by the chains of the Constitution.

But it's just dreams. Secession is unthinkable.
To paraphrase some folks who were much smarter than myself -

The U.S. government was formed by the people to secure the inalienable rights of those people. The government only exists, and those in power only have their jobs, at the pleasure of the people. If the people decide that the government has become destructive of the rights that it was meant to preserve, then the people have the right to overthrow and replace it with another form of government.

Radical ideas indeed.
by Soccerdad1995
Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:08 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real
Replies: 55
Views: 26356

Re: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real

KLB wrote:
If Texas was to Succeed [secede] I believe it would be the entire state - don't think it would work if we didn't take that liberal haven called Austin with us
This brings to mind an old joke.

Consider the horror of poor Austin. Everything seems OK until you realize you are entirely surrounded by Texas.
One of the comments on the article suggests arranging an airlift to supply Austin. Funny stuff.
by Soccerdad1995
Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:11 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real
Replies: 55
Views: 26356

Re: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real

ScottDLS wrote:Was a bad idea 156 years ago and it's a bad idea today. Take the Federal government back with the methods that the founders laid out...elections, amendments, convention of the states...
Was it also a bad idea 240 years ago?
by Soccerdad1995
Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:00 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real
Replies: 55
Views: 26356

Re: The Texas secession debate is getting kind of real

It's an interesting thought experiment if nothing else. To me, there are two fundamental questions that would impact the feasibility of a secession.

1. How would the federal government react?

2. What other states / counties, etc., would join Texas? Would all of Texas secede, or just a portion?

On #1, it would be a tad bit hypocritical if the federal government tried to stop secession by force. It might be hard to reconcile this with the U.S. government's position on the right to self government by other countries (Ukraine is an example) that were once part of another country. In a perfect world, the federal government would respect the wishes of the people living in an area, who vote for secession. They would then negotiate reasonable trade agreements, and agreements for immigration, transport, etc. Texas has it's own power grid, so we may not need to negotiate much in the way of power sales, depending on the answer to #2, of course.

If the federal government is likely to respond with military force, like the last time this came up, then I personally think it isn't worth the effort.

#2 could impact our need / positioning for trade agreements with other nations, and possibly military needs as well.

Assuming friendly relations with the U.S., I think an independent Texas could potentially thrive. We would lure businesses from the U.S. with lower taxes, and an educated work force. We also have a strong enough military to protect Texas. Probably not strong enough to get overly involved in foreign wars, though. There would be turmoil during the transition, but long term it might just work OK.

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