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Beiruty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:51 am States with no license to carry
States that deny the right to carry
There is something to be sort out

The "restrictions" on carrying is the key.
Would only a violent felony block the right to carry?
Would basic carry training be required?
Would it be only no-more "may issue" states?

Hopefully SCOTUS will use this as an opportunity to establish a line of what level of regulation is and is not acceptable for states.

My wish is that they apply the same standard as they applied for voting. If I'm not mistaken didn't they rule that charging a fee to vote (poll taxes) and requiring a proficiency test (poll test) were both unconstitutional? That would mean getting rid of fees and testing requirements for a carry permit. Also sales taxes on guns and ammo would likewise be unconstitutional under that standard.

Flightmare wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:40 am

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:21 am

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:38 pm <SNIP>This case could be good for us if it goes against NY. It will be terrible if it doesn't .

I disagree with this part of your post. If the case goes against us, then I believe it will just be current status quo. States will be able to choose how stringent they are on issuing LTC (or the equivalent), just like they are today.

For all practical purposes I believe it is well neigh impossible for an average citizen to get a carry license in places like NYC, so I highly doubt any decision could lead to greater restrictions on the issuing of those licenses.

I definitely don't see any SCOTUS decision forcing Texas to be more restrictive, in particular.

I agree that a ruling in favor of NY won't force Texas to be more restrictive. However, it would open the door for ALLOWING Texas to be more restrictive at some point in the future, should some "less than 2A friendly folks" gain control in Austin.

Good point. But that's essentially where we are at right now, isn't it? There's nothing to stop Texas from following the NYC model on issuing LTC's if the Texas legislature was so inclined.

My point is that I don't think we have anything to lose with SCOTUS hearing this case, other than the possible missed opportunity to get a better ruling somewhere down the line if the court gets more conservative than it is now.

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:38 pm <SNIP>This case could be good for us if it goes against NY. It will be terrible if it doesn't .

I disagree with this part of your post. If the case goes against us, then I believe it will just be current status quo. States will be able to choose how stringent they are on issuing LTC (or the equivalent), just like they are today.

For all practical purposes I believe it is well neigh impossible for an average citizen to get a carry license in places like NYC, so I highly doubt any decision could lead to greater restrictions on the issuing of those licenses.

I definitely don't see any SCOTUS decision forcing Texas to be more restrictive, in particular.

philip964 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:10 pm Is this before or after court packing?

If the Dems succeed in adding 4 new justices, they only have until November of 2022 to nominate, vet, hold hearings, and confirm as many as they can. Assuming the people will then be sufficiently swayed to turn the Senate to republican control in the mid-terms, of course.

Then any of the 4 that are not fully confirmed would ultimately be appointed by the next Republican President since folks should quickly see right through any objections to a republican controlled senate not holding hearings for the others. And as soon as Republicans control both houses of congress + the white house, I'd anticipate at least 4 additional new SCOTUS seats at that time.

I think we should have the same standard for the RKBA and the right to vote. If NY wants to only grant the RKBA to people they deem worthy, then Texas should be able to only grant the right to vote to people they feel are worthy of exercising that right in a responsible manner that is consistent with the principles this country was founded on.