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by TexasTornado
Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:04 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Re: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

The Annoyed Man wrote:
VoodooSan wrote:Now when I leave the house she will ask "Hey you are carrying right?" She feels safer and sleeps better knowing we are armed.
And that is great, so I'm not knocking it. But is she yet to the point where she's considering carrying one herself? My wife was sort of like yours.....not anti-2nd Amendment, but just not understanding why anyone not LEO would want to carry one. Then I gave her her first ever firearm - a S&W snubbie - for Valentine's Day in 2008. Then she got it. She not only wanted me to carry, but she began to see that she could too.

Now I know that, heaven forbid something should happen to me, she can still protect herself. She carries every single day now.
This reminds me of my household. My mom is just starting to carry regularly after we got her a purple p238 for Valentine's Day 2017. As for me, I'd say I carry about 95% of the time I am able (laws permitting). The other 5% I ask my dad if he's carrying and let him handle it. As daddy's little girl, I can say with all confidence, if you can trust anyone in this world to have your back, it's your daddy.
by TexasTornado
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Re: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

pushpullpete wrote:Texas Tornado, me thinks you MAY have touched a raw nerve for some.
Police uniforms, along with military uniforms, give most citizens the illusion that a strong & calming
force is now present and will solve all issues to everyones satisfaction. Not always true. They are
human just like the rest of us and 'sometimes' have more training. Street clothes & armed does
NOT project the same image for most sheeple. Newer, updated studies should be done if you really
want a realistic truth. Keep in mind that those 'studies' will always be skewed one way or another.
:txflag: :patriot:

I'd be happy to do a modern experiment! Let's find some grant money and make it happen!
by TexasTornado
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Re: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
TexasTornado wrote:Please note, this effect is ONLY documented when subjects are already in a state of agitation. It has not been found to apply when just having normal conversations or when not already otherwise in an agitated/angered state.

Personally the reporter's opinions and interjections are completely irrelevant to me, it was just the first article I found on the topics presented in class. The relevant information in my opinion is the findings of the studies themselves and the idea that violence, once initiated, may escalate more quickly with a pistol visible.
One problem with this type of study is that it can lead to very dangerous conclusions. If the presence of guns causes a bad situation to get worse, then maybe we should stop sending police out to domestic violence calls? Or we could just require all police officers to conceal carry. Don't get me started about gun shops / gun ranges. Just yesterday I got a work e-mail that made me extremely angry right before I went to the range. I was definitely agitated, but by some miracle, I managed to not go on a shooting rampage despite the sight of a wall full of firearms. I then discovered that my brand new Walther PPQ has an issue (failure to lock back on an empty magazine). That irritated me even more. And yet, the walk out of there was somehow uneventful, despite once again seeing a large number of weapons on clear display.

By the way, Walther was very quick to send me a pre-paid shipping label. Hopefully, they will get the issue addressed quickly.
You make a very good point that is often lost when reviewing studies of these outside of a classroom setting where you are reminded every 5 minutes: correlation does not equal causation. The presence of a gun may not be the cause of the increased violence, perhaps it's the experimenters glances at said weapon that cause the escalation towards aggression, or any number of other factors for that matter. All we know from these experiments is that they are correlated on some level.
by TexasTornado
Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:41 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Re: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

treadlightly wrote:Ok, here's the proof of bad science. Note this:
In one field experiment,[2] a confederate driving a pickup truck purposely remained stalled at a traffic light for 12 seconds to see whether the motorists trapped behind him would honk their horns (the measure of aggression). The truck contained either a .303-calibre military rifle in a gun rack mounted to the rear window, or no rifle.
The writer is an idiot. The confederacy didn't have any rifles chambered in .303 British, which is what I assume he's talking about.

An accurately portrayed confederate would likely have an Enfield pattern rifle. I think those were the most common.

In any case, by dragging the Confederacy (kindly doff your hats) into this I proclaim my trigger has been pulled. I need my safe space now. :eek6

A confederate in an experiment is someone, disguised as a participant or non involved party, who is working for/with the experimenter. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Confederacy or the Bloody Red Coats.
by TexasTornado
Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:38 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Re: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

Please note, this effect is ONLY documented when subjects are already in a state of agitation. It has not been found to apply when just having normal conversations or when not already otherwise in an agitated/angered state.

Personally the reporter's opinions and interjections are completely irrelevant to me, it was just the first article I found on the topics presented in class. The relevant information in my opinion is the findings of the studies themselves and the idea that violence, once initiated, may escalate more quickly with a pistol visible.
by TexasTornado
Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:48 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect
Replies: 37
Views: 10434

Interesting Psychology: Open Carry & The Weapons Effect

People oft debate that we should OC based on the notion that an exposed weapon will deter acts of violence, but how accurate are the assumptions we make about OC?

Sudies in Social Psychology strongly suggest that when people are agitated, the presence of a weapon object is correlated with more aggressive behavior than non weapon objects such as tennis rackets; this phenomenon has been coined as "The Weapons Effect" and is well documented both in laboratory and field experiments.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ge ... ons-effect

What are your thoughts based on this research?

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