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amtank wrote:It serves no purpose to play lawyer for a business that posts the incorrect sign. If your concealed don't worry about it or leave, if your open cover up or leave. If a business in their foolishness posts anything you can either ignore them and go about your business elsewhere. Carrying openly into an establishment that clearly intends to communicate they don't want to see your gun isn't helping.

It cant go both ways why not honor their decision illegal sign and all and not even CC if an establishment clearly intends they dont want guns on their property. An example those stupid signs with a picture of a gun and a line through them. My point is there has to be a line the law is beyond clear and the signs are very cheap $15-$30 for window signs. If a business feels so strongly about this they should at least post proper signs...which we should all honor and the police should enforce the actual law.

Now if you have been given verbal notice that is a different story and a whole different issue with all kinds of problems within itself. Example you go into large store lets say walmart an employee tells you to leave but not the manger. Were you given notice? Dont worry im sure we will have a few new case law studies.

jmra wrote: Depends on what type of line you are referring to. I'd say in regards to OC that the stupidity line is crossed when you know that entering a business is going to result in a confrontation but you do it anyway because you "can". Sounds a whole lot like OCT tactics which means it is detrimental to the 2A cause.
The legal line has not technically been crossed unless he follows through on his threat to return.
It is important to remember that "compliant signs" are not the only means the law gives business owners by which to limit carry in their stores. The business does not "need" to properly post if they do not want OC, they can do exactly what this business did which was all perfectly legal and ultimately effective.

So what if a business has a sign that just says no guns tucked in a corner window? The public should have been educated far better. The irony of these signs is that the ones I have seen have all been on ghetto type gas stations which always get held up. why wouldnt they want legally armed law abiding citizens?

The laws regarding signs are there to protect not only the business owner but also those who carry. People need to show patience and not force your beliefs on others. Like all these idiots OC rifles around town. All these jackasses are doing is making everything worse.

Greybeard wrote:Quote: "Stunts like this are what give a bad name to open carriers. "

Yep, I am with Keith on this one. If you go looking for trouble (or ATTENTION), you CAN find it. Such behavior is NOT representative of the holders I know - or want to be affiliated with.

So when exactly does one cross the line? The signs were clearly not compliant what if it is a hand written note simply stating no guns? Or a picture of a gun with an X through it? Are you required to treat all anti gun signs as if they were compliant? The law needs to work both ways not just a single path. If business owners do not want OC or CC they need to properly post the correct sign.

bottom line it was not a legally posted sign unless poster was verbal directed to leave there should have been no problem. The law clearly defines what a legal 30.06/30.07 sign is.