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Oldgringo wrote:We got our CHL's purely for self-defense purposes. We're adults and we know that shooting the worst of the bad guys is not going to be for free. The above having been said, I have learned more about our reponsibilities and liabilities of having a CHL and the law from this forum than our class ever started to touch on.

A former LEO told me that some LEOs, even the "macho" and "gung-ho" types, can have severe psychological problems after shooting and killing someone. Even if the shooting was necessary to prevent themselves from being killed.

IMO, the tone of this thread was set by the wording of the title: "After you Fire and Kill." Maybe the OP wanted to capture people's attention by being "unintentionally sensationalistic", but the premise that you should kill someone so that there are no witnesses is absolutely ludicrous. I would hope that most members of the forum, if not all, know this. So maybe the poster of the question wanted or needed some kind of validation from a more rational or trustworthy source.

Every student has the right and the duty to question what is being "taught" in any class. This is where the TexasCHL Forum excels. After the formal CHL class the student can digest the subject matter and formulate scenarios and ask the "what ifs"? This forum offers the opportunity for these questions to be clarified and answered.

As far as the quality of CHL instruction, I have been extremely fortunate to have two of the best instructors in Texas. I can't vouch for other instructors, but I believe that the DPS does a good job screening, training and certifying Texas CHL instructors. I also believe that every CHL is responsible for their own knowledge and learning. That is one reason that I suggest taking additional training after obtaining the CHL.

Over the last 40 years I have listened to thousands of people brag about their knowledge of shooting, firearms and the law. Most of what I have heard was from blowhards with an inflated ego and a distorted view of reality. That is why I make sure I have fresh batteries in my Hogwash Detector and keep it tuned and calibrated.
When reading the TexasCHL Forum, it doesn't go off too often.

JNMAR wrote:

WildBill wrote:

NOS wrote:My instructor told us that in the event that you have stopped the threat and LEO's are on the scene, the first thing you should tell them is that you want to press charges against the person you "stopped" (even if you believe the BG to be deceased).

I have read this in Massad Ayoob's articles. I can understand Ayoob's "rational" for saying this - establishing that you are the victim. Personally, I don't think it would matter one way or another. In the event of a shooting, it is going to be the DA bringing charges, not the CHL. I think it just sounds hokey, especially if he is dead. IANAL

Me too WildBill...I would think that the BG's body temperature slowly drifting towards room temperature would be like the ultimate of "pressed charges".

I believe that Ayoob also suggests that the shooter point out evidence at the crime scene - "here's the BG's gun, there are the shell casings, etc." This sounds to me like a guilty person trying to stage a crime scene. But Ayoob is the expert.

fecnik wrote:I think Glock is asking legit questions. maybe he is asking the wrong way but i wouldn't flame him just because his CHL education is lacking some major points. At least he is eager to learn here.

I don't think that Glock27 was being flamed. I don't blame people for not knowing something, even if it is was "supposed to be covered in class." If one wants a helpful answer, it is important to carefully word the question. It is difficult to respond to a post that asks multiple open-ended questions. I think that he got some very good advice from many Forum members.

fecnik wrote:...I mean, that's why i joined too.

That is why I joined, too. But there are people who joined the forum for the express purpose to troll and disrupt our discussions. That is why the Moderators and members are on a constant vigil to protect the integrity of forum.

NOS wrote:My instructor told us that in the event that you have stopped the threat and LEO's are on the scene, the first thing you should tell them is that you want to press charges against the person you "stopped" (even if you believe the BG to be deceased).

I have read this in Massad Ayoob's articles. I can understand Ayoob's "rational" for saying this - establishing that you are the victim. Personally, I don't think it would matter one way or another. In the event of a shooting, it is going to be the DA bringing charges, not the CHL. I think it just sounds hokey, especially if he is dead. IANAL

pbwalker wrote:

AndyC wrote:

glock27 wrote:what are the steps to be taken when law enforcement arrives at the scene after your heroic shooting?

After your what?

wow...I didn't even catch that. It's got to be a troll...

I need to slow down and read things more carefully before I post.

AndyC wrote:

glock27 wrote:what are the steps to be taken when law enforcement arrives at the scene after your heroic shooting?

After your what?

Never mind.

pbwalker wrote:

glock27 wrote:not so much into depth, the main focus was only draw with intent to shoot in kill if no other way is out. we didnt get into the after effects of a shooting, when the gun if fired

what about a justified shooting a man in the back who is robbing a store and you happen to be in the back, and he has a gun to the clerk?

The intent is NEVER to shoot and kill. If your instructor taught you that, I'd be concerned. The goal should be to STOP the threat.

This is a basic premise of self defense. If you are unsure of the law, maybe you should obtain some more training. IANAL

First of all, BGs are not dead until a doctor declares them dead. When you are able to do so safely, call 911 and request ambulance and police. Keep yourself and any people around you safe until the police arrive. IANAL, etc.

Edit P.S. You are not going to get a handshake.