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GrayGuy wrote:So Bill tell me what if it was a valid 30.06 sign, I would feel just as foolish?

If it was a valid sign then you would be following the law. IMO, nobody should feel foolish for following the law.

dicion wrote:

WildBill wrote:

dicion wrote:I like to think that all businesses actually know the law, and are intentionally posting a gun-busters sign, or other non-compliant sign, to inform Bad Guys that Their Illegal guns are not welcome there. While intentionally not banning legal concealed carry, because they know we're the Good Guys!

I would like to think that too, but I think most people just don't know.

Ignorance is bliss..... for us in this case at least!

That's small comfort.

dicion wrote:I like to think that all businesses actually know the law, and are intentionally posting a gun-busters sign, or other non-compliant sign, to inform Bad Guys that Their Illegal guns are not welcome there. While intentionally not banning legal concealed carry, because they know we're the Good Guys!

I would like to think that too, but I think most people just don't know.

GrayGuy wrote:So, then, what’s to be gained by going into an establishment with an illegal 30.06 sign. As I said in my first post, “This makes for a very bad day.”

What's to be gained is being legally armed and able to defend yourself if the need arises. Since you are legal, there is really no downside. In the context of this thread, I thought of some more ways that you might "feel foolish", but would "make for a very bad day."

Let's say that you are carrying, concealed of course, and you want to go to the local store to pick up some milk. You drive to the store, park the car next to a police car, get out and walk up to the front door. You see a gunbuster [not valid 30.06] sign. What do you do so you don't feel foolish?

1. Since you don't want to go past an invalid sign you go back to the car. While you are taking your gun out of the holster to put it in your glove box, you expose it to the cop parked next to you.

Do you feel foolish when the LEO arrests you for failure to conceal?

2. You walk back from your car and enter the store unarmed. While you are shopping a BG comes in to rob the place. He shoots the owner, empties the cash register, and then shoots you.

Assuming you aren't dead, do you feel foolish for leaving your gun in the car and seeing the shop owner killed and you with a bullet wound?

3. After shopping, you walk back to your car and see a window smashed and your gun has been taken out of your car.

Do you feel foolish for leaving your gun in the car when you didn't have to?

4. You walk back to your car and see a the window smashed. Then you notice that a BG has your gun and is pointing it at you demanding your car keys.

Do you feel foolish now?

GrayGuy wrote:

WildBill wrote:

GrayGuy wrote:I’m a new grandpa on the CHL block, and maybe I’m missing the point. Hopefully you guys can explain it to me.

Why would you want to go into an establishment with a posted sign restricting guns even if it does not meet the specifications in the law?

Isn’t that forcing an issue you could loose not to mention the possible legal expenses that could be incurred if you are spotted and sued.

Welcome to the Forum GrayGuy.

1. I would want to go in because, I legally can go in. Some people wouldn't go in because of "the principle", but invalid signs do not offend me.

2. I wouldn't be "forcing any issue". That is why there are specific requirements for valid postings. Even if you were spotted, you would not be breaking any law and there would be no basis for being sued. If they asked me to leave, I would immediately leave.

WildBill, I respect your views, but, what I see happening in that situation is:
You are asked to leave the establishment.
If I leave I would feel a little foolish because I knew they didn’t want me and my gun there.
If I don’t leave then the cops are called and they will ask me to leave and at that point I would leave, again feeling a little foolish.
If I didn’t leave then I assume I would be removed forcefully and booked for on one of the trespass laws.

To me that makes for a bad day and I’m not sure I would want to go through all that.

GrayGuy - I am not sure that I completely understand your posts, but here goes:

First of all, I don't like feeling foolish. If I went into a store without a valid 30.06 and was asked to leave, I would leave. I would not feel foolish at all. The business owner is the foolish one. If he really didn't want handguns in his store, he should have posted a valid sign.

If I didn't leave and the store owner called the police, I would feel very foolish leaving the store in handcuffs, with my handgun stuck in the LEO's waistband as evidence. I would feel very foolish because I didn't follow the law by leaving after receiving verbal notice.

GrayGuy wrote:I’m a new grandpa on the CHL block, and maybe I’m missing the point. Hopefully you guys can explain it to me.

Why would you want to go into an establishment with a posted sign restricting guns even if it does not meet the specifications in the law?

Isn’t that forcing an issue you could loose not to mention the possible legal expenses that could be incurred if you are spotted and sued.

Welcome to the Forum GrayGuy.

1. I would want to go in because, I legally can go in. Some people wouldn't go in because of "the principle", but invalid signs do not offend me.

2. I wouldn't be "forcing any issue". That is why there are specific requirements for valid postings. Even if you were spotted, you would not be breaking any law and there would be no basis for being sued. If they asked me to leave, I would immediately leave.