TAM,
I agree that CA is a lost cause, and that the only way that the state could ever crawl out of their stupor is through a systemic governmental collapse, across the board.
You know that show "600 lb life"? You always have an enabler that promotes the gluttony.
Those who are law abiding citizens of that state, who choose to stay there despite the illegal bonanza and anemic freedoms, I see them as enablers of California gluttony.
To that extent, those who left that state and have moved on have indeed helped not only themselves, but Californians left behind as well, since little by little the funds from law abiding citizens that were sunk into the bottomless pit are replaced with illegals and enormous increases in unfunded liabilities. They'll be able to run the engine in the red only for so long, then, it'll be diet time. Think of all the excess skin left behind though

, using "600 lb life" analogy...
Side note,
What if you apply for the carry permit, are denied the permit due to some anti-2A rubbish reason, and then you are either robbed, wounded, killed etc.
Now that the echo is for citizens to defend themselves due to the response delays (probably caused by police budget cuts to subsidize illegals in my opinion), I can imagine that the family might have a chance to pursue litigation against the county.
ACLU ought to be all over this...
NOT.
