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suthdj wrote:OC= A sheep dog walking around snarling at the sheep, its harmless but still bad form.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

parabelum wrote:You know, I've already posted several times on this topic, and I'm sitting here bewildered at the responses.

I can tell you that if we had people like this in Sarajevo in '92, I'd be long dead.

People, look at your Country, take a look around, you are losing it all little by little, sometimes by self sabotaging and other times by whining.

Dang it, I thought this was a forum where grown tough man come to talk about gun related topics, and I've seen more complaining on this OC bill here then I get from my 12 year old daughter...

Act like men and be happy you live in this great State, in this great Country, enjoying freedoms that other folks only dream about. I know, because I was once one of them before I came here.


Get along and stop bickering.

I come from such a state too, but let me ask you something...... when somebody pees in your cornflakes, are you bickering if you object? Are you the one who doesn't know how to get along if you object?

That is what is happening here. We have a new law. It may or may not have been as important to pass as a couple of other laws, but it is a good law nonetheless. But, a couple of organizations peed in everyone's cornflakes for the two years running up to the passage of the law, causing passage of that law to burn up an enormous amount of political capital........and that causes problems in other areas of legislation, not all of which are gun related. Be that as it may, the tensions that were ratcheted up by the pre-passage behavior of those two organizations was a form of peeing in everyone's cornflakes because it affects ALL of us......not just them. Then, post-passage, a subset of people who carry displayed a certain level of social tone-deafness in their open carry choices, with resultant consequences that (again!) affect ALL of us, which was another example of peeing in everyone's cornflakes.

On the side of reason, the argument was this: "hey, please moderate your behavior, or the consequences are going to affect ALL of us". On the side of unreason, the answer was to pee in everyone's cornflakes.

So I ask you, exactly who is failing to get along with whom, and exactly who is bickering? When someone is rushing headlong toward a cliff and that person is tied to you by a long rope, and you say, "hey, you better put the brakes on or you're going to drag both of us over the cliff", which person is failing to "get along", the guy who is rushing toward the cliff, or the guy who is warning him that both are going to perish if he doesn't stop? Who is bickering, the person who dismisses common sense advice, or the person who offers the common sense advice?

Yes, I am happy to have the ability to carry a firearm in Texas (and a bunch of other states as well) after having lived in California most of my life until 2006. But while I think that OC is an advancement, I also would have been OK if it didn't pass this time and we had passed an expanded list of places where we can carry instead. I'm glad that OC passed. But only a fool would refuse to acknowledge their own part in any social transaction while open carrying. Again, I repeat, the eyes of Texas are upon us. Let us be worthy of that.

thatguyoverthere wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:{snip}After 125 years of being told that OC is bad unless you work for the government (who never thought it was a bad idea for themselves) there is some growing pains. {snip}

This. ^^^^^^

When I ask myself why I sometimes open carry, my answer is: "because I CAN." Others may see that as foolish or unwise. But to me, that is a very important reason, if not the MOST important reason.

Whether you or I or anyone else actually wanted OC to pass or not, and whether we now regret it or not, it's here. It's a done deal now. So now, does it really achieve anything worthwhile for some to say "I told you so" and/or to bellyache about what's happening now?

Or would it do more good for our community for us to work together to start coming up with solutions for the new problems that we face today? Just like we worked together to resolve our problems in the past, and just like we will work together to resolve whatever new problems come up next year, or the year after, or the year after that?

baldeagle wrote:

parabelum wrote:But you see what you did there, you stated that YOU will never OC, which is your prerogative, but maybe some of us will occasionally OC and if so, personally, I will adjust accordingly. But please, if you or anyone else choose to CC only, respect those of us who, on occasion, may OC.

For what it's worth, I've made my stance on OCT known.

I have no problem with people OCing. I have a problem with people being defiant, demanding their "rights" when they are ignorant about those rights and making such a fuss and stink about it that it hurts the one million others who have chosen to carry, each in their own way.