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by parabelum
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: No place but Minneapolis
Replies: 76
Views: 25658

Re: No place but Minneapolis

03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:18 pm
parabelum wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:44 pm
carlson1 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:00 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:28 pm
baseballguy2001 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 am If a 25 year police vet doesn't know how to subdue a resisting motorist without using deadly force, that is a serious problem. It's either negligence, or incompetence. Take your pick.
A 20 year old punk thug doesn't know that you are not suppose to fight the police? Negligent or incompetent parents? He created the situation that lead to his own demise. When was the last time you thought it was OK to fight the police and run?
Great way to put that my friend. I couldn’t have said it better. Isn’t it main hall of these “deaths” have a common thread. Resisting! Fight it in court. Don’t start out with civil unrest.
It is blatantly apparent that the MSM is refusing to discuss why these situations develop in the first place. Until these thugs are told to stop fighting the police, more will be killed.
I agree that arguments and grievances are to be taken into the courtroom and not on the side of the road. I also agree that many if not most of these events could be decreased if these kids would have better parenting, and if they wouldn’t pull stunts like trying to resist and flee.
Now, can we also agree that there appears to also be a disturbing trend of gross incompetence and negligence within some departments? Training issues? Dare I question officers on prescription medications that could impair judgement? All of these warrant examination and adjustments in my opinion.
I say that as a close friend and as a relative of several brothers in blue who feel the same.
They are just as much sick and tired of these little thugs wannabe gangsters as much as of the ilk of this officer, one from Floyd’s case and sadly, many others, such as the one who killed Ashli and got acquitted (that’s a whole another can of beans there..).
Officers like the lady who shot this kid “accidentally” taint the good work that 90+% of officers do, and it makes lives for the rest of the Blue a living you know what.
:iagree: to some extent but will also point out that police are being killed in the line of duty at a clip never seen before. Can one really fault them for being a tad nervous in these situations?
LEO is a 100% voluntary profession. When a day comes when you as a LEO find yourself to be a bit edgy and nervous, right/wrong or indifferent, that ought to be a day to consider moving into a different career field, for everyone’s sake.
Too many oopsies and too many cases that could in most cases be attributed to nervous nelly officer.
Again, those in blue that I know are rock solid and that’s exactly what my cousin said, as well as a detective buddy of mine with whom I had a good discussion on this just yesterday.
If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. LE job is mentally and physically challenging. Very stressful to even most seasoned of them all. Again, if and when tine comes when you find yourself in a performance flux (mental, physical and or spiritual), for the sake of public and your fellow officers, it’s time to move on.
I’ve watched many good firefighters in my fire/Ems days do the same. Walk out of a structure fire, take the scba mask off and say “this is it for me”.
by parabelum
Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: No place but Minneapolis
Replies: 76
Views: 25658

Re: No place but Minneapolis

03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:44 pm
carlson1 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:00 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:28 pm
baseballguy2001 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 am If a 25 year police vet doesn't know how to subdue a resisting motorist without using deadly force, that is a serious problem. It's either negligence, or incompetence. Take your pick.
A 20 year old punk thug doesn't know that you are not suppose to fight the police? Negligent or incompetent parents? He created the situation that lead to his own demise. When was the last time you thought it was OK to fight the police and run?
Great way to put that my friend. I couldn’t have said it better. Isn’t it main hall of these “deaths” have a common thread. Resisting! Fight it in court. Don’t start out with civil unrest.
It is blatantly apparent that the MSM is refusing to discuss why these situations develop in the first place. Until these thugs are told to stop fighting the police, more will be killed.
I agree that arguments and grievances are to be taken into the courtroom and not on the side of the road. I also agree that many if not most of these events could be decreased if these kids would have better parenting, and if they wouldn’t pull stunts like trying to resist and flee.
Now, can we also agree that there appears to also be a disturbing trend of gross incompetence and negligence within some departments? Training issues? Dare I question officers on prescription medications that could impair judgement? All of these warrant examination and adjustments in my opinion.
I say that as a close friend and as a relative of several brothers in blue who feel the same.
They are just as much sick and tired of these little thugs wannabe gangsters as much as of the ilk of this officer, one from Floyd’s case and sadly, many others, such as the one who killed Ashli and got acquitted (that’s a whole another can of beans there..).
Officers like the lady who shot this kid “accidentally” taint the good work that 90+% of officers do, and it makes lives for the rest of the Blue a living you know what.
by parabelum
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:35 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: No place but Minneapolis
Replies: 76
Views: 25658

Re: No place but Minneapolis

AndyC1911 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:12 pm I believe she'll be convicted of manslaughter.
Agree 100%.
by parabelum
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:46 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: No place but Minneapolis
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Views: 25658

Re: No place but Minneapolis

baseballguy2001 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:08 am This is straight from the Minnesota Statues - Manslaughter 2 - (1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; - She meant to grab the Taser and grabbed her gun instead.

Open & shut.

You can talk about tunnel vision and auditory exclusion syndrome, but those items aren't captured by the body cams. She tells him 'I'll tase you' then after the kill shot, at point blank range, she's surprised, her weapon went off. That is either negligence, or an attempt at CYA knowing the body cam is rolling. There are no 'accidental' shootings, we all know that. Taking a life by negligence is a crime that should be punished. Especially for some one who should be a pro with firearms.
Bingo.This kid was a no good for nothing thug from what I can tell, but he did not deserve to die. She had over 20 years of police experience, and this “mistake” is both inexcusable and unacceptable, period. Fact that you have stress and other situational factors does not excuse nor does it offer reasonable explanation of killing someone in error. That is what your training is for precisely. It is what sets LEOs apart from untrained civilians.
by parabelum
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: No place but Minneapolis
Replies: 76
Views: 25658

Re: No place but Minneapolis

PUCKER wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:18 pm
Paladin wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:12 am
comsec wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:16 pm Negligent discharge, not an accidental discharge.
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Video does show what appears to be explicit negligence.
female officer yells, “I’ll tase you, I’ll tase you. Seconds later, the officer yells “Taser, Taser, Taser” shortly before the pistol is fired.

“Holy (expletive)! I shot him,” the officer says after apparently discharging the pistol instead of a Taser.
I'm gonna say that the video backs up the negligent, but UN-intended shooting scenario.
Thank you for posting, Paladin.

Watching this video...all I can say is "play stupid games..." well, you know the rest. If I had been the perp (I'm 50 WM, just for context)...and I acted the exact way that the perp did...I would expect the same outcome...meaning that I would expect to be shot for fleeing / evading...it's pretty simple...at least in my simple mind. :tiphat:
After 20+ years of police experience, how the heck do you confuse a taser (roughly 8oz) from a glock (roughly 32oz)? Not to mention they were on opposite sides and she had it pointed at him for a bit. Troubling, very troubling. His conduct notwithstanding, there is an issue here. A big issue.

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