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BrassMonkey wrote:I want my DNA encoded pistol...

+1

I would settle for voice print verification, but it would have it's drawbacks too. fingerprint readers on a gun would be ideal though i think.

Photoman wrote:

Mike from Texas wrote:

TheYoungGuy wrote: As for carrying your XD in condition 1, as long as you put it in a safe location when it's not on your person, it will be fine.

Condition One is terminology created for 1911 pistols. The application of that term to any other style handgun is confusing at least, and downright misleading at worst. Besides, hasn't Jeff Cooper be misquoted enough already?!

I think condition 1 applies quite well to this situation. Please elaborate on your deviation from that view. I'm very interested in that as I'm studying jeff cooper's work right now.

Right2Carry wrote:I would say that using the term locked on any XD or Glock without a manual safety is wrong. Neither of those guns lock. Locked usually refers to a manual safety. I also don't think that either an XD or a Glock are fully cocked, they are in a half cock position.

I have always thought the term cocked and locked when with 1911 style guns.

IMHO using Cocked and Locked while referring to an XD or Glock is just wrong.

ahhh, ok, sorry, i missed that. I'm not familiar with the XD. Didn't realize it didn't have a manual safety.

*sits down and shuts up* :)

BadCo45ACP wrote:

Right2Carry wrote:

S&W6946 wrote:The term "cocked and locked" as first used in this thread referred to keeping a round in the chamber. To me that term generally applies to a 1911 pistol and the manner in which it is carried and not an XD.

Call me picky....

Agreed and that was my point.

IMHO "Condition One" would be appropriate for both "Cocked and Locked" & "Locked and Loaded" however hs already stated above, "Locked and Loaded" would be appropriate for use in describing "Condition One" for an XD or any other firearm without a hammer. The hammer of a firearm was once called the "Cock" and its position "cocked" or "uncocked". The term "Locked and Loaded" came from the original phrase "Loaded and Locked" which the military used to describe the ready to fire condtion of the M1 Garand. Loaded magazine inserted and bolt locked forward. Some sources credit John Wayne for the current usage "Locked and Loaded" when he inadvertantly reversed the the words in the movie "Sands of Iwo Jima"

nice history lesson. really it was... i'm always interested in this stuff.

we all knew what he was talking about though.

TheYoungGuy wrote:Geez, let me be more specific. I didn't know I was on trial.

HAHAHAHA!

dont take it personal man. that's just how we show the love to one another.

there's often spirited debate, especially around this issue.

razoraggie wrote:I am all for safety and pride myself in that fact. My wife appreciates it as well. Txi....you summed up my entire point when you stated that they are an inaniment object that require an outside force to cause them to react the way that a firearm operates. I agree that people can do stupid things, but I would never call well maintained firearm unsafe based soley upon personal opinion. Thanks for the insight Txi. Your opinion is respected as always.

you may not call it unsafe, but i will. As an object it's not inherently safe or unsafe, but as it's intended use (as a weapon for humans who are sometimes idiots) it's a bad idea to make a weapon without a separate thumb (or other similar) safety device.

but that's my opinion.

now with a thumb safety, i'd be OK with it. Other than that issue, i think glocks are good guns. Not great, but good. I just personally want that extra line of protection that lets me know that even if something accidentally hits the trigger it's not going off unless i have that separate safety switch thrown :)

incidentally, i've also seen those little trigger insert safety blocks they sell for glocks. Neat idea that doesn't require any gunsmithing. Personally, i want a thumb lever.

if i ever own one, i will have one installed.

another thread hijacked.... i guess not maybe, we're still essentially talking about condition one carry.

txinvestigator wrote:

razoraggie wrote:

TheYoungGuy wrote:As for the above mentioned "safety issue", I assure you that issue is why I DON'T carry a Glock. I think they are unsafe.

?????
Glocks are unsafe?!?
One of the safest pistols on the market shows the research from Guns and Ammo Magazine. The internal mechanism is completely disabled until your finger is ON the trigger.

not true AT ALL. It is disabled until AN OBJECT is on the trigger. Fingers are but one object that can fire the weapon. ;)

man... as much as you're rough around the edges... i have to love a guy who tells it like it is :)

I owe you a beer for that one. well said, well said and you beat me to it.

if it had some fancy way of knowing MY finger or my wife's finger from someone else's finger or a misc unwanted object on the trigger i'd own one in a heartbeat.

TheYoungGuy wrote:

LedJedi wrote:3) it's more of a safety issue than a hardware issue. Make SURE you carry in such a way that your stuff will NOT go off with accidental trigger pull. That's one of the reasons I don't carry a glock like that. If something catches that trigger and you're loaded you're gonna shoot something. I intentionally found a gun that was comfortable to carry, shoot and had a thumb safety i was happy with.

Great thoughts, LJ. As for the above mentioned "safety issue", I assure you that issue is why I DON'T carry a Glock. I think they are unsafe. My XD, some would argue, is only differentiated by a grip safety similar to the traditional 1911, but that safety makes a world of difference, IMHO. I practice drawing with a firm, ready grip yet with a cautious trigger finger. I also make extra sure that I holster and/or re-holster with my thumb over the back of the slide to ensure that IF for some crazy reason my trigger were to "grab" onto something, my grip safety would not be engaged; thus preventing a ND.

100% agree

if i ever do own a glock (would like to at some point), I will pay the $150 to have a gunsmith put in a thumb safety for peace of mind.

I'm pretty new to 24/7 carry myself and wrestled with some of those same questions. I did a LOT of reading and researching online. Just casual stuff i guess, but i read up on it for about 2 weeks straight during my free time.

my conclusions are as follows.

1) your gun is fine doing that. If you're really concerned about it have your springs replaced every 3-5 years or so, but if you use your gun regularly as you should anyway, you'll notice when problems come up. Also don't over-oil your gun or get lube on the ammo. It sounds like the worst thing you have to worry about is magazine springs. So long as they're feeding ok you should be fine.

2) Your ammo should be fine. It's designed for years of storage anyway. I would blow the one round you have chambered every few months, but most folks don't think it's necessary.

3) it's more of a safety issue than a hardware issue. Make SURE you carry in such a way that your stuff will NOT go off with accidental trigger pull. That's one of the reasons I don't carry a glock like that. If something catches that trigger and you're loaded you're gonna shoot something. I intentionally found a gun that was comfortable to carry, shoot and had a thumb safety i was happy with.

I carry in condition 1 as well, but there are much more knowledgeable folks around here to model. Who's the greater fool? the fool or the fool that follows him? :)