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phddan wrote:

Their duty to carry out orders does not supersede my right to bear arms. I honestly like to think a lot of LEOs would agree with that and frankly I'm shocked that the cops in New Orleans actually followed those orders. I know a lot of them had to disagree with that order.

am i making sense here or am i just talking out of my keister?

I have no doubt that given the order, most, not all, but by far most leo would comply to disarm whoever they were told to. They will not risk their jobs and retirement.

Dan

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. That would probably be the situation at that point.

That would put us in a very awkward and dangerous situation.

Hamourkiller wrote:First of all hi to all on the forum. I have been reading for several days now and am pleased with the forum and how it is managed.

This issue bothers me a lot (When to resist cops with deadly force).

you have some valid points in your scenario (referring to the situation in New Orleans). I found myself wondering what I would do if police were just no-holds-barred confiscating weapons from everyone. I thought about it a LOT and it gets to a deep issue with me.

I can honestly say, I don't even like the thought of resisting a LEO. I believe and generally know that most of them are great folks and are sacrificing for the greater good. I have seriously considered becoming a LEO myself but decided not to for family and financial reasons. Nothing but the utmost respect for what they do.

However, I believe that in that situation (confiscating guns from innocent civilians) they are in-essence operating as a tyrannical force serving an oppressive government (define that as you will) whether they realize they are or not.

Bottom line. I'm guaranteed the right to bear arms. Someone tries to take that away from me in a manner that I deem unjustified then I will resist. I'm not sure to what extent, but it will be to the extent necessary to prevent said confiscation. If that means turning my guns on a LEO (seriously, lord forbid the world ever coming to that) then I think I would have to do it. I honestly cringe at the thought, but in that scenario I can't allow them to do that and will use EVERY non-lethal method of resistance possible to prevent that, but in the end i wont be deprived of my rights.

Their duty to carry out orders does not supersede my right to bear arms. I honestly like to think a lot of LEOs would agree with that and frankly I'm shocked that the cops in New Orleans actually followed those orders. I know a lot of them had to disagree with that order.

am i making sense here or am i just talking out of my keister?

flintknapper wrote:
I have a question for you guys concerning the physical limitations/disabilities of someone you may wish to arrest/detain.

I have a fairly severe rotator cuff problem that prevents me from moving my arm past my centerline (at hip) without experiencing quite a lot of pain.

If for some reason....an officer were to arrest/detain/control me, and I informed him of this condition beforehand, can you imagine that "some" might choose to disregard that info and place me in a position where I would incur injury from having my arm put behind my back.

I can assure you that I will "resist" (to the degree necessary) in that event.

I can see this happening if Joe Citizen runs into the occasional LE that is a bit "badge heavy". And please don't tell me they do not exist, I ran into one about 30 yrs. ago in Austin...and if his partner had not reined him in, it was going to turn bad (for everyone).

Anyway, I appreciate your participation, your viewpoints, and your willingness to take a little heat in order to share with us your perspectives.

I will watch for your answer.

Thanks, Flint.

good question man. I'm a very large guy with very broad shoulders. I could easily be cuffed in front, but I've often wondered what would happen if for some reason i was ever arrested/cuffed and the cop insisted on cuffing behind my back. I literally don't bend that way. I would definitely sustain some injury from that.

When I was a guard we had a few inmates that had the same issue. We had a policy of using leg irons as handcuffs on those guys. I can only assume that departments probably have a policy about that too.

I have to say i would have to resist arrest (as politely as possible) if someone tried using standard cuffs on me behind the back and might take a beating because of it. I guess it would all come out in court, but that would suck.

yeah, that's pretty much what I figured. I'm not really ever inclined to do anything like that. Have a lot of respect for LEOs as I seriously considered it as a career choice. Just wondering what my rights were.

this question has always come to mind with stuff like this ...

Do police NEED a search warrant? I was always under the impression that if they saw/heard/smelled/etc. what appeared to be evidence of a crime they could enter and search without a warrant.

(I realize this thread isnt' really about illegal search, was just curious)

so there is NO defense against resisting arrest or search unless the officer has already used excessive force (which is dubious to determine in the first place)?