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jbarn wrote:Training and experience directs a LEO. The 4th amendment and subsequent SCOTUS decisions restricts the actions of the LEO. If you are on foot at 0200 in an industrial area we are having a chat. The contact will direct what happens and how far the LEO demands anything.

You may have a right to be there, but he may have a right to hqve a little chat with you as well.

Reminds of the time I followed a known crack dealer around on foot after he denied a consent search. He kept telling me to leave him alone but he didn't go anywhere he had control. He just walked up and down the street, where I had every right to be. I kept talking to him about baseball and global warming...it was great fun.

mojo84 wrote:

jbarn wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Abraham wrote:This is an interesting question.

Has anyone as a pedestrian (on the forum) ever been stopped by an LEO and been asked for an I.D. when carrying (or not for that matter) and if so, what transpired?

For the record, it's NEVER happened to me.

I'm going to guess it's a quite rare happenstance...unless you spend time as a public drunk or something akin to it.

When I worked graveyard as a cop I contacted lots of folks on foot, depending on the neighborhood.

"Contact" is one thing. Did you force or coerce them to provide ID even if they they weren't being arrested or suspected of committing a crime?

I stopped people in suspicious places or under suspicious circumstances. At 0200 if I see you walking in an industrial area we were going to visit. I always asked for ID. Didn't matter if I could arrest if they refused, I always asked.

How did you handle it if they refused?

I'll bite.

Depends on how/why they refused, what their history was, where they were, and what they were doing.

There are many fun muni ordinances that help solve problems like park curfews and alcohol in park laws. Also, many of the favorite loitering spots had CT affidavits signed by the owners. Those are useful.

In my experience, when I was working overnight in the rough spots of town, "a large percentage" of the folks refusing to ID had warrants. Not sure exact numbers but I'd guess about once a shift.

We had one of those republic of Texas types try to arrest my fully uniformed zone partner for contacting him about a loud party call. After three tours in Iraq and Astan, my zone partner had a nice talk about what this guy's freedom actually meant.

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