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llwatson wrote:You can't produce a handgun in response to a verbal threat alone

FYP :)

llwatson wrote: And threatening to "put a bullet hole" in someone is just as bad as producing the firearm.

I'm not convinced here - my understanding that words are just that....words. This also kinda contradicts your previous statement. If someone pulls a gun at me, that is a defense for me pulling (and using) mine. If someone says they will put a bullet hole in me, it is not a proper nor defendable action to pull mine.

From my CHL class, I walked away with an understanding that words alone are not grounds for much of anything. Which is why I can say something like I'll shoot the crap out of you if you keep coming towards me, but that is not failure to conceal it's just saying something.

I could be off on this, and as such, I don't want to this to degenerate into e-bickering....been seeing enough of that lately.

gigag04 wrote: Once they are in front of the house, the suspect breaks into a run from about 30-40 feet away. His girlfriend runs into the house, and my buddy decides to follow her. They lock all the doors and call the cops, but try not to make it too huge of a deal to my buddies roommates.

They were in front of his house when the assault began. I'm not sure if this changes how I would react, but feel more confident in a draw now....its almost 2 am, and I'm on my property with an unkown charging at my girlfriend.

I also have asthma, but it doesn't bother me much anymore...not sure what OC would do.

Flatland2D wrote:

gigag04 wrote:Figure I'll take first stab at it.

Once the suspect starts running towards us, my girlfriend (imaginary) would run to the house and call the cops. I would turn, put my hand on my kimber, but with my shirt covering it (it is usually at like 4 o clock behind me and thus hidden) and yell "STOP - I am feeling threatened by you, I am armed and willing to defend myself"

(my reasoning here is that regardless of what you say, words are merely words, and actions are what matter in court).

If remains running towards me, now at 20 ft or so, I would draw down, click safety off (finger off triger duh...) and yell "STOP GET ON THE GROUND NOW" at this point I'm fearing a knife or gun attack or worse.

If the assault continues, I would strongly considering stopping it with deadly force but I'm not totally sold on the legal ramifications. This may be a great time of OC (I should get some).

Maybe I'm jumping the gun so to speak but this is probably what my first reaction would be.

Critiques?

Unless you are on your property your number one duty in Texas is to retreat whether you like it or not. If this guy was much faster of a runner than you retreat may not be an option, as you could only buy yourself some extra time before he caught up.

This also brings up the subject of having full knowledge of the situation. Maybe some guy is following you and starts running faster towards you as you are about to leave his sight. This would be unusual behavior, but what if they guy was trying to return your wallet you accidentally dropped and wanted to hand it over before losing sight of you. A verbal warning should clear that up pretty quick as you would have done. Just worth considering though.

Does yelling, "STOP - I am feeling threatened by you, I am armed and willing to defend myself" constitute a threat of deadly force? Instead of saying you are armed, would it be better to say you will "stop" them if they continue?

You have yet to comment on what you would do. Apparently you disagree with my prognosis so how about posting your own thoughts??? I'm curious on what the "right" course of action is.

Ok...so what do you guys do? That was my original question....

flintknapper wrote: You've already answered your own question.

My question was what you (meaning the forum audience do in the same situation if armed. I cannot speak for the forum...thus...it is impossible for me to answer my own question as it was originally asked. I offered my own take on what I would do, but I already knew that...I merely offered it as a conversation started.

-nick

Figure I'll take first stab at it.

Once the suspect starts running towards us, my girlfriend (imaginary) would run to the house and call the cops. I would turn, put my hand on my kimber, but with my shirt covering it (it is usually at like 4 o clock behind me and thus hidden) and yell "STOP - I am feeling threatened by you, I am armed and willing to defend myself"

(my reasoning here is that regardless of what you say, words are merely words, and actions are what matter in court).

If remains running towards me, now at 20 ft or so, I would draw down, click safety off (finger off triger duh...) and yell "STOP GET ON THE GROUND NOW" at this point I'm fearing a knife or gun attack or worse.

If the assault continues, I would strongly considering stopping it with deadly force but I'm not totally sold on the legal ramifications. This may be a great time of OC (I should get some).

Maybe I'm jumping the gun so to speak but this is probably what my first reaction would be.

Critiques?

A good buddy of mine works on campus. His girlfriend came to hang out with him while he was shutting down the sandwich shop. He lives about 10 min from campus on foot and regularly walks home (safe college station area).

Last night, the both of them are walking home and about 150 yards from his house. A dressed up (not for working out) hispanic male runs past them going the other direction on the other side of the street.

My buddy, being a goofy pretty boy doesn't think too much of it, but his girlfriend is on it and very situationally aware. She notices him cut across the street and start to follow them at a walk. She mentions this and my buddy dismisses it. Everytime she looks back, the "suspect" sits down and acts innocent, resumes his pursuit.

About 50 yards from the house she mentions this to my buddy again, and he says its nothing, and she tells him to look. Now he notices the suspicous behavior. He tells her, should things turn ugly to sprint to the house (very fast runner) and he will either follow or engage depending on how he feels about it.

Once they are in front of the house, the suspect breaks into a run from about 30-40 feet away. His girlfriend runs into the house, and my buddy decides to follow her. They lock all the doors and call the cops, but try not to make it too huge of a deal to my buddies roommates.

I will post the conlusion in a bit, this is a true story that happened late last night...well...at like 130 am..so today technically.

If armed what you do in the same situation?