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Chris wrote:
gigag04 wrote:Not being there is fair enough for sure, but I watched the video, with audio. You can probably find it online somewhere, but lets just say for discussion, this is a completely peaceful (no physical violence or threatening words) but non-compliant (didn't comply - asked for husband) elderly woman.

I find it a stretch to light 'er up with a tazer. That is just my non-LEO opinion however.

Good posts and insights

-nick
cops are fired all the time for excessive force and poor judgment, but that decision isn't made until all the facts are known.

i was involved in an incident where an officer (supervisor) was under an IA investigation for excessive force. i told the IAD that i thought the amount of force was more than i would have used. i was there and i saw what happened. i even told this supervisor that i didn't think what he was doing was necessary. the guy was just being mouthy. it sucks fronting out a fellow co-worker, but when integrity is the most important part of your job, you tell the truth. the worst part for me was it was someone I arrested, but couldn't transport due to the car i was driving. the supervisor transported and booked him in so i could finish my report. in my honest opinion, it was too much force. i felt bad that the guy lost his job, but it's all about choices. he made a bad one.

Chris - I am glad to know that people still believe in the notion of integrity! I appreciate your efforts and your thoughts on thinking this situation through.

-nick

gigag04

Not being there is fair enough for sure, but I watched the video, with audio. You can probably find it online somewhere, but lets just say for discussion, this is a completely peaceful (no physical violence or threatening words) but non-compliant (didn't comply - asked for husband) elderly woman.

I find it a stretch to light 'er up with a tazer. That is just my non-LEO opinion however.

Good posts and insights

-nick

gigag04

TraCoun wrote:
gigag04 wrote: Cop repeats his instructions while pulling out tazer. She says same thing, and he lights her up.
She goes down, and he lights her up 4 more times, though she isn't even fighting back.
The posts on this have been interesting, a lot of good stuff on both sides. But the part above about him 'lighting her up 4 more times' hasn't been mentioned.
I don't claim to know anything about the tazer business, and those who have talked about getting her to comply have made good arguments. But 4 more means a total of 5. 4 while she was on the floor (or ground, whichever), not fighting back. Would this part be a bit on the excessive side?

Thanx,
TraCoun

I was curious about the same thing - good post!

-nick

gigag04

Let's bring this back to tazer-ing granny.

Would that really hold up?? Just to get compliance? Maybe it's me, but it seems kind of unfair (now I know life isn't fair, but usually the uneven stakes are better hidden). It seems like it makes LEO's a super-class that can bully the common folk to do whatever they want.

gigag04

Chris wrote: i forcibly removed and arrested a 68 y/o "grandma" from her vehicle when she refused to sign her citation.

I can totally see the reasoning for this. Don't get me wrong, but I must ask why is force warranted when there is no show of force at all from the person?

Half of me is playing devil's advocate, but PD is payed by taxpayers dollars and works FOR the citizens. It seems like there would be a different approach just for "refusal to sign."

Maybe I'm crazy but if I can get busted up by a cop just for not signing a ticket - something is wrong with things as they are.

While compliance with a peace officer is important, it seems like there is too much loose ground where I can get slammed about just for saying something the cop didn't like - under the guise of "refusal to comply" or some other justifiable reason for throwing around a tax paying citizen.

-nick

PS - these ARE NOT fighting words, i respect all the LEOs on this board, including Chris. These are just my honest opinions.

gigag04

Saw this on the news last night. Could be a media slant, but from what I gathered a cop tazered a grandma because she would not stand up and turn around to get cuffed.

When ordered to stand up and turn around to get cuffed, she peacefully remained seated (saw it on video) and told the LEO should wanted to talk to her husband.

Cop repeats his instructions while pulling out tazer. She says same thing, and he lights her up.

She goes down, and he lights her up 4 more times, though she isn't even fighting back.

Is this police brutality or am I missing somehting to the story?

Also - what do you guys do in this situation - if you are the one getting lit up?

-nick

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