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Purplehood wrote:Incidents such as this have made me consider taking the following action during any sort of LEO stop (for whatever reason):
Take my i-phone out and put it on the voice-message function and conspicuously put it on the dashboard. LEO's record stops now, so I figure I should too.
DoubleJ wrote:What do you mean, "You People???"iflyabeech wrote:
No I am not kidding. It wasn't smart mouthed. I was very polite and matter of fact when I said it, and it was the truth. Tazed...for sitting in my car stating facts..get real man....some of you people need to relax!
No I am not kidding. It wasn't smart mouthed. I was very polite and matter of fact when I said it, and it was the truth. Tazed...for sitting in my car stating facts..get real man....some of you people need to relax!dihappy wrote:iflyabeech wrote:He asked, "Is there something funny about that?" I said, "No sir. But I did not swerve or touch any line and you have been following me over 10 miles and when you couldn't find me doing anything wrong, you came up with that."Are you kidding, chances are good that if you were a minority, you would have been tazed after that smart mouth remark. I have no idea how you got away with that one.iflyabeech wrote:Sad thing is, if I was a minority with a chip on my shoulder, I would be on national TV right now whining about being racially profiled! I am a huge supporter of our police and this sort of incident makes me sick!
Keith B wrote:No American flag, bar code or colored dot on any side windows?? They are subtle, but if you know what to look for, they are there.iflyabeech wrote:flintknapper wrote:
If there was a "rental" car sticker on the windshield or bumper he probably saw it. Thats what they do here.
obviously...but there was no sticker..
flintknapper wrote:
If there was a "rental" car sticker on the windshield or bumper he probably saw it. Thats what they do here.
The dude pulled from the median to my bumper before he knew I was in a rental car...flintknapper wrote:Lindy wrote:Highway 77 between Robstown and the Valley is probably the most heavily patrolled highway in the country, as it's a major drug transportation route as well as used by illegal alien smugglers.
I work from time to time about 4 miles southwest of Ricardo, which is why I know that.
They stop a lot of cars based simply on profiles of probable drug carriers. Your complaint to the Kleberg county SO will likely fall of deaf ears - which doesn't mean it's not worth doing.
Theres your answer folks. Happens all over the place.
Nacogdoches PD task force was "famous" for this not too many years ago. Basically, if you were headed North on 59 in a "rental" (look for little green E sticker on bumper) you were going to be followed and likely stopped.
We can "what if" or "maybe he" all we want...but chances are great..it was a profile stop.
whatever dude...point is they didn't have it!trdvet wrote:Law Enforcement doesn't need probable cause to conduct traffic stops, only reasonable suspicion.
Ahhh..this was in braod daylight! :) I can't believe I forgot to hit the voice recorder on my phone!! His Lt. called me back yesterday, but I missed the call...now playing phone tag!The Annoyed Man wrote:Well I'm sorry, but along with Minnesota grandmothers of Norwegian extraction and Californian blond soccer moms, you match exactly the profile of a middle eastern airline hijacker or terror-bomber.iflyabeech wrote:It still doesn't mean an LEO has the right to make something up in order to pull me over!!! I am a blond haired, blue eyed 30 something normal looking guy. I just don't get it...
All I know is that, if someone raced up behind me at night and tailgated me for mile after mile on an otherwise clear highway, I would use my hands-free cellular device to phone 911 and tell them what was going on. I would also tell the 911 operator that I was video recording the incident with my cellphone in case the police needed it for evidence. I would add that I was emailing myself a copy of the video file in case I needed to share it with anyone else - such as the media...
True that...but on 77...I grew up in Bishop...its not that unusual....(also, it was a Deputy, not a Troop)srothstein wrote:I am not condoning anything the trooper did during your incident, but there are a couple points you might want to be aware of. First, the above description does make you a little unusual for Kleberg county. Blond haired, blue eyed, males might be more normal in Gillespie county (with its German heritage), but I am willing to bet they are a minority in Kleberg county.
I talked with my good friend who is a trooper in the area...he mentioned this as well, but I think the guy had his mind made up before he could tell it was a rental car...srothstein wrote: Second, and probably much more germane to the actual reason for the stop, is that many of the drug couriers now are using rented cars. Thanks to the asset seizure laws having been used aggressively in the past few years, drug dealers have realized that cars can only be taken from their owners. Rental cars are cheap means for transporting stuff inside the US and do not include the threat of their own car being taken.
My trooper buddy agrees, but said I don't really fit the profile he looks for, to say the least! (He usually leads this DPS area with felony arrests and stolen vehicle recoveries)srothstein wrote:Lastly, while I do not agree with the tactic, nothing in the law requires the officer to tell you the real reason for the stop. Your lack of knowledge of the probable cause, even coupled with the statement from the officer, does not mean he did not have real probable cause for the stop. I think officers should not lie in most cases, but each officer makes their own decision. From your description of the conversation, combined with my above two points, I would say he was really checking to see if you were a drug courier or not. it sounds like you would fit a fairly common profile for some of the drug mule being used these days. Again, my opinion is that a profile is not grounds for a stop, but I am in the minority on that in law enforcement. And, I have to admit that I have stopped people for suspicion or to check them out, but it was usually based on more than what you have shown here and I also explained the truth of why I stopped them.
Thanks Lindy. I have a very good friend who is a trooper, and he works down here very often, also 281. But he doesn't do this sort of stuff!Lindy wrote:Highway 77 between Robstown and the Valley is probably the most heavily patrolled highway in the country, as it's a major drug transportation route as well as used by illegal alien smugglers.
I work from time to time about 4 miles southwest of Ricardo, which is why I know that.
They stop a lot of cars based simply on profiles of probable drug carriers. Your complaint to the Kleberg county SO will likely fall of deaf ears - which doesn't mean it's not worth doing.
No...he had already followed me right on my bumper for 10 miles or so when we passed the 2 DPS troopers out on traffic stops...I switched lanes properly to the lane away from the officers who were pulled over and then returned to the right lane when I had passed them...G.A. Heath wrote:It is possible that someone passed an off duty State Trooper, and did exactly what was said. That state trooper then called in to the local dispatch and had them put out a call to look out for a vehicle matching your description. He saw you and put 2+2 together and got 7 so he pulled you over. I'm not saying this happened but its something to consider. I too have been pulled over under false pretenses in the past, then spent 12 hours tracing wiring looking for a possible short only to conclude I was lied to. Stops made under a false pretense are a sore spot for me as a result, but I do still try to see if there is any remote explanation before making my mind up. Just for the record, I am not a LEO but I know 90% of the ones in my county on a first name basis.
