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Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Soap wrote:Do you go in people house wearing shoes if they tell you to take them off?

Personally, no I don't. And I think that a home owner should be able to call the police for assistance if someone refuses to either remove their shoes or leave after being so told by the home owner. Again - I think that a property owner should be able to tell anyone to leave, for any reason, and if that person refuses, the police should assist. This would give property owners much greater rights than they have today.

Where we disagree is that you believe property owners should be allowed to use the arrest powers of the state to enforce their own personal prejudices against the unseen behavior of others with which they disagree. I believe that is wrong because it means we are allowing the property owner to infringe on the basic fundamental rights of other people.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

Soap wrote:If I own a pizza shop and I ask you to leave you should leave.

I agree.

Soap wrote:If I say I don't want you with a gun you should do it.

Disagree. What else do you want to order me to do? Not vote Republican? Not think about Kate Upton? Sorry, but you don't get to control everything your customers do or think just because they are in your pizza shop. The world does not revolve around you, and other people have rights as well.

Soap wrote: IT's my business and in a true free market and free America, I should have the right to kick whoever I want out. If I don't like green people then so be it.

I agree. I also think you should have the right to kick out whoever you want. If they refuse to leave after being told, then you should be able to get the assistance of law enforcement to arrest them.

You don't just want property rights. You want the right to control every aspect of the people who visit your business. There is a difference.

mayor wrote:

Soap wrote:IT's my business and in a true free market and free America, I should have the right to kick whoever I want out. If I don't like green people then so be it.

That may be how it should be, but let me know how that works out for you.

Dreamer42 wrote:After all these years as a CHL holder I don't know why this never occurred to me. I see numerous posts about old and/or non compliant signs and how we are advised to "carry away". However, in the absence of signage of any kind, if someone gives verbal notice "Hey, sir, you can't carry here" that is is good as gold. Just for discussion sake, and being devil's advocate, shouldn't the verbal notice at least be a certain phrase or collection of specific words so as to be "compliant?" Seems like a double standard in semantics to me.