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Countryside wrote:Well, if I can't laugh at a 25 auto....no one can laugh at my Jimenez .380 then.

I don't think anyone will laugh at my Sig P250c 40sw.

I used to shoot the Raven at the range quite a few times and it did well. never had a problem with it as I stayed with the ammo that was good for it and even had guys asked me about it.

"Hey, what's that toy you're shooting?"

I used to have a Raven 25 and it shot all I've put in. Once I had a milk jug full of water and frozen in the freezer that I took it out to the back yard and shot it twice with the 25. Both went through it.

I don't care what they say but a 25 is better than the 22 and for SD don't bother with hollow points. use hard balls and aim for soft areas like under the chin, nose, eyes and even ears.