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dlh wrote:Paige's infamous video of him shooting himself in the foot in front of those school children is well-known and available on Youtube. It was never clear to me why he felt it necessary to pull the trigger in that environment or even have the firearm loaded.

If you are going to carry with a round in the chamber please practice, practice, practice! I don't want to be the movie-patron in front of you at the theater when you "fiddle" with your gun and it goes off hitting me in the back, That actually happened here while back---luckily not to me.

I've seen the video of Paige and he thinks the gun is clear but he doesn't clear the magazine, then he releases the slide and chambers a round inadvertently. It looks like he intentionally pulls the trigger while lowering the weapon to either holster it or to set the weapon down. As CDub suggests, this is an act of carelessness. Didn't release the magazine or even check for an empty magazine. No reason to pull the trigger. Only thing I can think of is that maybe it was a habit of his to release the firing mechanism before storing an empty weapon. This was a result of not following the basic safety rules. It was not a result of his gun not having a thumb safety and/or a hammer.

As for the topic of the original post, carrying with a round in the chamber, he thought he had an empty chamber. If you carry with a round in the chamber then you already have an advantage over Mr. Paige. If he had followed the rules and treated the gun as if loaded, then he wouldn't have shot himself in the foot. Those of us who carry with a round in chamber and who treat every gun as loaded know better than to pull the trigger on a loaded gun that we don't intend to shoot.

As for risk assessment, HazOp, LOPA, qualitative, quantitative whatever method you prefer. The only safeguard that we truly has as gun owners is ourselves. There is not a safety instrumented system that is going to prevent a user error or correct a user error that has already or is about to happen. It's about following the rules and having good habits. The consequence is catastrophic and the frequency as we all know is far to often.

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Dan20703 wrote:I always do but a friend of mine never carries with one in the chamber and will never do otherwise.

He used to carry that way but put a round through his leg while holstering his weapon once. Luckily it didn't hit any bone, cartilage, or major blood vessels.

This is what's called Glock leg. It can be avoided by not carrying a Glock, or any other weapon without a manual safety. It may also be avoided by really paying attention when holstering.
Given the choice of not carrying with one in the chamber, or not carrying a Glock or similar clone. I think the carrying a safer gun might be advised.

Whoop there it is. I think I'll call it Gaston's Law. (The time it takes to mention "glock leg" in any discussion about shooting yourself in the leg whether it was a glock or not or without knowing what kind of handgun it was.)

Whether you like it or not, there is a reason for the stereo typical phase " Glock leg".

Yeah, it's called carelessness and I know that some folks will never let term go away. Deservedly or not.

Well put. It has nothing to do with the Glock or the leg. If it did we would see a lot more police officers with a limp. I for one, don't carry a Glock, but many on this forum do everyday without shooting themselves in the leg. Oh yeah, the media seems to think that every pistol is a Glock, otherwise we might be talking about Hipoint leg.

Jose_in_Dallas wrote:When I first started carrying over 20 years ago, I was apprehensive about doing it with a round in the chamber as well until I got a good holster and even then it took a while to feel comfortable with it. I have a friend of mine who doesn't carry with a round in the chamber because he pocket carries a Sig 938 and he's concerned about it accidentally going off. I came across this video not to long ago on YouTube that I shared with him and although he still doesn't carry with a round in the chamber, he's at least thinking about changing his practice of not doing so.


And for those of you who are concerned about a storing a gun with a round in the chamber because they have kids in the house, why won't you simply store it in a lock box of some kind?

Oh and I've carried Glocks on and off for over 20 years and never had a case of Glock leg

This is exactly what I do.

guns don't simply fire randomly. Just follow the four basic rules of gun safety, practice with your guns and know your equipment (holsters, etc) well and you will manage just fine. Also, if you have little ones at home, take care to secure your firearms well and keep them out of the wrong hands. With my kids, just putting them "high and out of reach" is not enough. My 4 year old will climb the cabinets and the refrigerator if he sees something he wants.