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DWA wrote:Appraisal districts are not government agencies. They are a agency created to represent governments. They do not have to follow the same guidelines with respect to weapons that a city or county government would.

The appraisal districts determine the value of property. They give that information to cities and counties who then assess and collect taxes. If you fail to pay taxes, you are in trouble with the CITY OR COUNTY ASSESSOR and NOT the APPRAISER. Why? Because appraisal districts do not have that governmental power - and do not collect taxes.

They are a separate business whose clients are all government agencies. Cities or counties are not required to use their valuation services, although most do. As an example, the City of Arlington has their own appraisal staff and they do not use the valuations from the Tarrant Appraisal District.

Any policies they have are valid. They may control security on their property as they see fit, just as a private business would.

If that was the case their lawyer would have said so as well as the AG. They wouldn’t have removed the signs on the outside of the building a few years ago nor would they have covered up the signs inside by the meeting rooms. They are in fact a governmental entity. They are not county as their name often gives the impression of but rather they answer to the state Comptroller.

http://www.ncadistrict.com/About_Us

The Nueces County Appraisal District was created by the 1979 Texas Legislature to consolidate property value appraisals into single (county) districts. The appraisal district became active in 1982 and is responsible for appraising property in the county for ad valorem tax purposes. The chief appraiser is the chief administrator of the appraisal office and is appointed by and serves at the pleasure of the appraisal district board of directors.





Section 2265 of the Texas Government Code requires governmental entities publish a report of electricity, water, and natural gas consumption and the aggregate costs of such.

A Copy can be obtained here

I received a very good email today from CCPD. It wasn’t surprising since I recently FOIA requested from NCAD the security policies/guidelines for the guards (private and offduty PD) working the metal detector and the security contracts. I only received the private security contract. Nothing from PD and nothing about security policies. I informed them that my request wasn’t fully complied with and asked for the PD contract and the post orders that would be created from NCAD policy’s that was mentioned in the private security contract. It seems that there might be a policy in place that doesn’t comply with the law based on the letter I received from the CCPD. Regardless this is progress and I’m certain that Ronnie isn’t going to be happy with the outcome

Finally got back in touch with CCPD regarding my IA case I started. The officer I spoke with knows and understands my complaint was two fold but kept wanting to kick it back to NCAD. I'm not sure if I'll ever get anything in writing from CCPD with what happened but here's the rundown as it was verbally told to me. The offduty officer was acting lawfully in asking me to disarm to go up stairs. The appraisal district can ask me to disarm in order to talk to them and they can direct the offduty officer to keep guns out of the building. CCPD has consulted with their legal advisors and they are of the conclusion that they can do this. The appraisal district attorney is also of the same opinion. The CCPD did not contact the state AG for a legal opinion on the matter. As far as they are concerned the officer acted lawfully and the case is over. Opinions?

Still but not nearly as much as before. I took a trip down there last Thursday because their website said that no ARB meeting would be taking place. On the front door was an amended agenda from the one on the website and indeed an ARB was scheduled that day. I didnt even bother entering the building. Yesterday I had time so I went back down there. The CCPD working security checked my LTC and let me go about my business and stated there were no signs posting that prevented my carry. I don't feel he fully understood the law in regards to signs but he allowed entry so we are making definite progress there. I am trying to get something in writing from CCPD in regards to my complaint with Internal Affairs. The investigation is over but the officer that handles the information hasn't tried to get in contact with me. So I enter the building and head straight to the third floor where I am greeted with both 30.06 and 30.07 signs still up and uncovered. I took pics but no point in posting them, we've all seen them and with the photobucket stance on 3rd party hosting it wouldn't appear anyways. I email a quick update and pics of the agenda showing no meeting on the day I took pics and sent them to the person that I have been in contact with at the AG office investigating the signs. I asked if should serve another notice of violation and was told that he would folllow up with me and that the NCAD case is at the top of his list. So it appears we might be getting somewhere with this, just taking lots of documentation and persistence on my part.

Flash back to two meetings ago and the minutes I requested. The NCAD abandoned the idea of portable signs that was mentioned in their reply to my notice of violation. In the meeting Ronnie Canales said that they would put a wall covering over the signs when a meeting is not in place. Did not happen yesterday. And a funny side note the lady's behind the glass wall at the window saw me take the pic. I was standing near the elevator out of their view looking at the pics and overheard them mention me coming in and taking a pic and then leaving.

I also requested all emails from Ronnie and all board memeber to each other and others that dealt with "security" and covering a time frame of July 2015 to present. I received a certified letter from the NCAD attorney today outlining the estimated costs (11 hours at $15/hr for $165 total). Do these sound like a fair estimate for my request? I know the hourly dollar amount is what the law states but the estimate only gave hours to perform it and no other break down explanation. After the research is done they can give me an estimate on the cost of copies at $0.10 each. Is there any further clarification on the costs I should ask for or demand? I'm not in IT but thought they should be able to perform a search on their server for keywords such as "security, guns, knives, weapons, safety, etc) and get the appropriate emails found faster than 11 hours. Not sure how the emails are setup for the board members and if that is where more time would be needed. Any thoughts?

flechero wrote:

roadkill wrote: This pic was taken today about 6 weeks after that letter I received stating the signs were coming down.

Can you carry that letter as your authority to carry there since they stated the signs should not be there?

I don't need that letter as my authority to carry there but should I choose to push the issue if the CCPD officer wants to prevent me from carrying where allowed by law and arrests me that letter would be a very valuable piece of evidence for me. It's a very valuable letter for the AG to use to levy fines. I sent them a copy of today's pic. Just wish they would step up and start the fine process.

I don't guess they were too serious or in much of a hurry to remove those signs.
This pic was taken today about 6 weeks after that letter I received stating the signs were coming down. I guess some more letters and phone calls will have to be made. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. Really would be nice if the AG would step up and start enforcing the fines for signs law.

I received a copy of the letter sent by the attorney from Paxton's office to Judge Neal and Tom Wheat (NCAD attorney) advising that they will be investigating the incident. Not sure what if anything will come of it especially since the Nueces County Appraisal District isn't under the county (Judge Neal) in regards to reporting to. And now more waiting I suppose. Should be an open/shut case but justice moves slowly

G.A. Heath wrote:If any meetings with the appraisal review board is an open meeting I wonder if they are meeting all the requirements such as record keeping and if all previous 'open meetings' have been conducted under these guidelines.

I requested the minutes of some from last year. They are kept in audio form. You'll get a cd of it when you request it.

A little update. The CCPD should by now be done with my inquiry/complaint. I was supposed to be contacted by the officers LT as to what happened with their policy at NCAD. I have not heard anything as of yet so next week I will contact IA to make sure that I receive a follow up regarding their actions. In the mean time NCADs lawyer got married and was gone on a honeymoon so he was delayed in responding to my notice of violation I sent NCAD. I received his follow up today and wasn't to happy about it. I requested minutes from the ARB board meeting discussing open carry and posting of their meetings. From the audio of that meeting it is clear that Mr Canales intends to restrict all guns from the building and they understand the law in regards to posting the meetings. Tonight I requested the audio for NCAD's board meeting discussing open carry. I believe that Mr Canales fully understands the law yet is trying to skirt the law and restrict LTC holders from carrying inside the building. I will be sending the AG my info I have researched (minutes of meetings)and all correspondence so that they can add it to their files as several complaints are still outstanding.

Here's the letter. It appears they will be discriminating against LTC holders. I am responding back asking how they will prevent LTC holders from carrying while speaking to an appraiser informally. IMO NCAD has two options if they seek to restrict LTC holders from talking to an appraiser. 1. They can stop all informal meetings which will be a burden on them and the citizens and 2. Discriminate and risk being in violation of the law in which I believe they would be.

Nueces County. Corpus Christi PD

TreyHouston wrote:

roadkill wrote:Had a very good meeting this morning. It took a minute to convince the investigator that my issue is twofold, NCAD and CCPD and while separate they are intertwined. We went over the laws as well as the AG opinions and he saw that yes I was perfectly legal to carry where I wanted to but couldn't due to the CCPD officer having the wrong interpretation of where I could carry. I suspect it was from NCAD telling him he could legally keep me off the 2nd and 3rd floors. CCPD is now going to talk to their legal as well as command to investigate the procedures and what is asked of them at NCAD. I'm patiently awaiting a call back to go back down and have a meeting of what they found as well as what they will be doing in the future. I shall keep ya'll posted of how things turn out.

Wow! Great job so far! I wish all of us had the knowledge, patience and drive as you do!

Thank you but I'm no smarter than anyone else here. As LTC holder's we should all be well versed on the what the law is and how it pertains to ourselves when and where we carry. As I told the CCPD IA officer I'm sure they (CCPD) has probably never arrested anyone under 30.06 or an LTC holder under 46.035 or 46.03. They are most likely not well versed on these laws and need to look into them, especially if asked to restrict LTC access anywhere. I had a choice to educate them through the court room by being arrested or coming back later and doing so in a manner that doesn't waste anyone's time and resources. If CCPD see's it right it will strengthen our argument against the NCAD and help that cause too. It will also most likely help city wide as officers might receive training in the LTC laws and appply them properly. It helps that we're slow at work and I have the time to pursue this issue as well. In reality everyone here can duplicate the same thing. All you need to do is print out the statutes and highlight the relevant parts. Also the AG opinions then set up a friendly meeting. In my case law enforcement is willing to listen and learn yours may not but you will never know till you try.
I'm tired of being told every year I can't carry where I can. Before it was just a sign and you just carry past it. Now its a LEO unlawfully enforcing that sign (and verbal notice). Take away their ability to use LEO in this manner and we go back to the sign issue and waiting on the AG to rule. I don't mind waiting for the AG to tell them to remove the sign. I do mind being told I cant carry right now.

Had a very good meeting this morning. It took a minute to convince the investigator that my issue is twofold, NCAD and CCPD and while separate they are intertwined. We went over the laws as well as the AG opinions and he saw that yes I was perfectly legal to carry where I wanted to but couldn't due to the CCPD officer having the wrong interpretation of where I could carry. I suspect it was from NCAD telling him he could legally keep me off the 2nd and 3rd floors. CCPD is now going to talk to their legal as well as command to investigate the procedures and what is asked of them at NCAD. I'm patiently awaiting a call back to go back down and have a meeting of what they found as well as what they will be doing in the future. I shall keep ya'll posted of how things turn out.

I was too late yesterday at the post office to get my letter out to NCAD. I'm glad I was late. NCAD was served notice last year by a freind of mine and as we all know nothing has changed. I missed AG opinion KP-0098 which deals with meetings being posted in my original letter. https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/op ... kp0098.pdf
I redid that letter and included a link in my letter to NCAD which is in route as I type. They will have it by Monday so I suppose I'll know where they stand by next Friday. The AG office already told me NCAD has a complaint pending but I could file one. I decided to so that my audio could be attached to the case. The officer clearly says at the end of my recording he "is paid to keep firearms from going upstairs". I believe his statement plus my conversation with the chief appraiser makes it clear what NCAD's intent is. Now if we can just get the AG to act on it.

As for the CCPD I'm bringing in all relevant laws plus AG opinions. Not sure what they will do but I'm sure they will cease providing security if they have to bar LTC holders from going upstairs. The $64k question is how soon and will it be immerdiate or after their contract during this busy season is over. I will be watching them either way. I'm tired of NCAD trying to skirt the law and am especially mad now that they are using LEO to assist them.

I have contacted CCPD Internal Affairs about their officer blocking LTC holders from carrying in the building. I have been told that if the NCAD has a policy that they expect the officers to follow that is not legal then the officer will no longer be able to work security there. They seem to think that if an attorney advised them (NCAD) its legal they (officer) can do so in good faith and not be in violation of the law. Tomorrow morning I have a meeting with an investigator about my complaint. I have been told the complaint is only an inquiry at the moment and not a complaint until something wrong has been discovered. I plan to take 30.06, 46.035 and 46.03 and 211.409 plus my pics and audio as evidence. I'm hoping that the CCPD will review the laws and determine that they cannot stop a LTC from entering the NCAD building with the exception of the meeting rooms during a meeting. If they see it the proper way then NCAD might be searching for new security and should they hire another LEO branch I shall start this process over and eventually they will run out of LEO to do their dirty work. Until our AG gets this straightened out with a lawsuit I see this as our only way to stop this. It's a stop gap so to speak.

Went down today to protest my house appraisal and change the ag classification on my land to wildlife. I was met by a CCPD officer working security and the metal detector. I thought things would be smooth ala TX state capital style security. Nope I was wrong. I have audio of my interaction with the officer and a appraisal district rep before I disarmed and then again with the chief appraiser when I returned from my truck . I was told I would not be allowed upstairs both by the rep and the officer. All appraisers are upstairs on the second floor, the third floor has ARB meetings and you have to file your protest there before going to second floor to discuss it with an appraiser. I have them on audio recording admitting that there was not an ARB meeting going on but I would not be allowed up with my firearm. The chief appraiser is citing safety and says that an officer will be there all during the busy season and if I wish to have a firearm they would take my contact info down and set an ARB date up at which then they will discuss my appraisal and I couldn't carry at that meeting. I was told that informal appraisal meetings aren't required by law but they are provided as a courtesy. They were even banning pocket knives from entering. I sure wish the AG would do something about this clear violation of the law. I guess right now the only thing I might get action on is talking to the PD about their uniform officer assisting in violating LTC holders' rights. This is so frustrating