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by txinvestigator
Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:09 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
frankie_the_yankee wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:You guys realize that state law gave him two appeals, one of which a Justice Court Judge agreed with DPS' ruling, the other appeal he did not make in the time allocated by law.

He ain't getting a CHL in Texas, regardless of how much money he spends on an attorney.
Tell that to OJ Simpson.
OJ was aquitted by a jury of a criminal violation based on reasonable doubt. How is THIS the same?
There was no reasonable doubt as to OJ's guilt. He was aquitted mainly because Mark Fuhrman had used some bad language at some time in the past and lied about it on the witness stand. Also, the fact that OJ's attorneys were even allowed to pursue such an irrelevant line of questioning speaks to the massive incompetence of the prosecution team and Judge Ito as well.

OJ's aquittal was one of the most notorious cases of jury nullification in modern history.
Your opinion, not fact.
As to how Kungfu's case is related, it's simple.

1) At the time OJ was aquitted he was the guiltiest man in America.
so what? lots of "guilty" people get aquitted.
2) He had a ton of money and he spent it on lawyers.
Again, so what? You are talking about a CRIMINAL case where a jury of peers decides based on reasonable doubt, stacked on the side of the defendant.
3) If not for #2 above, he would probably have gotten the death penalty.
The relevance to a non-criminal administrative case is......?
4) You spend enough money on good lawyers, and you can move mountains.
and if the other side spends enough money on good lawyers.......?
Now in Kungfu's case, we have a guy who actually does qualify for a TX CHL,
I disagree. he does NOT qualify. he was convicted of Possession with intent to distribute.
but who spoiled things for himself by giving the wrong answer when he filled out his application. He gave that wrong answer because he did not avail himself of proper legal advice first.
No, he was honest, as he should have been. If a person is convicted of a crime that is called a misdemeanor in their state, but Texas calls it a Felony, it is a felony for CHL purposes. Accordingly, if a person receives a legal benefit called Expunction in their state, but Texas has a DIFFERENT definition, the Texas definition stands. Just like DPS and a court decided in this case.

It's clear that DPS and the JP were wrong in the way they decided this case.
It is clear that DPS and the judge were RIGHT.
by txinvestigator
Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:41 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:You guys realize that state law gave him two appeals, one of which a Justice Court Judge agreed with DPS' ruling, the other appeal he did not make in the time allocated by law.

He ain't getting a CHL in Texas, regardless of how much money he spends on an attorney.
Tell that to OJ Simpson.
OJ was aquitted by a jury of a criminal violation based on reasonable doubt. How is THIS the same?
by txinvestigator
Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:01 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

You guys realize that state law gave him two appeals, one of which a Justice Court Judge agreed with DPS' ruling, the other appeal he did not make in the time allocated by law.

He ain't getting a CHL in Texas, regardless of how much money he spends on an attorney.
by txinvestigator
Tue May 29, 2007 11:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

KungFu wrote:I wonder why its worded the way it is then?

it says Expunged or Pardoned.
There is actually one other case; in some curcumstances, if a person was convicted, but that conviction was later acquitted by the Court of Criminal Appeals, an expunction can be had.
by txinvestigator
Tue May 29, 2007 10:08 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
KungFu wrote: Unfortunately for me, the DPS attorney and the JP read it as TXI has been stating all along... that since I WAS convicted of a felony, I wasnt eligible...
I don't think they read it that way at all. I think the particular offense that you had expunged is one that TX does not allow to be expunged.
Texas does not allow expunctions for ANY conviction unless the conviction is subsequently pardoned
by txinvestigator
Mon May 28, 2007 8:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

Re: Of Coruse

[quote="cxm"]Of course the JP ALWAYS agrees with the DPS....

V/r

Chuck


Why? DPS is not a voter in that county.

Man, lots of people sure have trouble with authority. It must be a conspiracy.............. :willynilly: :roll:
by txinvestigator
Mon May 28, 2007 6:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
KungFu wrote:Cut & Pasted from the DPS website...
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... chlaws.htm

GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS

(4) "Convicted" means an adjudication of guilt or an order of deferred adjudication entered against a person by a court of competent jurisdiction whether or not the imposition of the sentence is subsequently probated and the person is discharged from community supervision. The term does not include an adjudication of guilt or an order of deferred adjudication that has been subsequently:

(A) expunged; or

(B) pardoned under the authority of a state or federal official.
As I wrote, In Texas an Expunction is not available for convictions. Since you WERE convicted, you are not eligible in Texas.
TXI, from where I sit it seems like you're reading this wrong.
The fact that DPS denied him is De Facto evidence that is not the case.

If he had a hearing, it was done in a JP Court in his county as per TGC, 411.180 (a). It appears the JP agreed with DPS and me.

Of course, within 30 days of the JP ruling, he can appeal to County Court at Law. (TGC 411.180 (e))
by txinvestigator
Mon May 28, 2007 4:42 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

KungFu wrote:Cut & Pasted from the DPS website...
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... chlaws.htm

GC §411.171. DEFINITIONS

(4) "Convicted" means an adjudication of guilt or an order of deferred adjudication entered against a person by a court of competent jurisdiction whether or not the imposition of the sentence is subsequently probated and the person is discharged from community supervision. The term does not include an adjudication of guilt or an order of deferred adjudication that has been subsequently:

(A) expunged; or

(B) pardoned under the authority of a state or federal official.
As I wrote, In Texas an Expunction is not available for convictions. Since you WERE convicted, you are not eligible in Texas.


txinvestigator, Re: getting a license from another state, Im not familiar with the ins-&-outs of reciprocity... How would I go about doing this?... Wouldnt I run into similiar problems?
I don't know. Different states have different requirements.

The DPS website has a list of states with which Texas has reciprocity.
by txinvestigator
Mon May 28, 2007 3:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Expungement Delimma
Replies: 45
Views: 8970

It is called an expunction in Texas, and yes, DPS is correct. You were actually convicted of a Felony. In Texas, an expunction is only available if the charges were dismissed or you were found not guilty. Due to that, expunctions are irrelevant to getting a CHL, as there was no finding of guilt, or deferred adjudication.

Perhaps you could obtain a license from another state that has reciprocity with Texas.

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