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MONGOOSE

So where was the law broken other than your speculation?

MONGOOSE

I had a new to me truck in 1990. The gas gauge did not work. I was told by the seller that I had a 35 gallon tank. Nope 24. I ran out of fuel between Midland and Odessa. I put a pistol In my pants Mexican carry and I leashed my dog and off I went. Oil field was making shift change and not one good ole white boy pulled over to ask if I needed help, A cholo with his wife and son pulled over and asked me if I needed help. He drove me to a filling station to get a can and fuel. He then took me to my truck. He was covered in tats, wore a hair net and dressed like a gang banger. He refused to take any money and even offered me food if I needed it. Here he was driving a 50's something Ford PU, rattle can painted and he was offering me help.

I have since employed numerous "cholo" looking guys. Two have been my best workers. My worst have been white boys. One ex Army. two college students. I never judge a book by it's cover.

MONGOOSE

When has it been established that he belongs to an OMC? And who says your pic is a group engaging in criminal activity?

MONGOOSE

Laws the law. For all of us. Your just being hypocitical

MONGOOSE

Here again. Your opinion. Not the law. Next up my .Wranglers and hat. By the way I was targeted
By a Leo that didn't like cowboy hats

MONGOOSE

You guys like to pick and choose the rights given to us all. Just who "you" think deserves them. Change the constitution then

MONGOOSE

mojo84 wrote:
Abraham wrote:People who like to appear dangerous are typically dangerous. Of course, not always, but usually.

Stereotypes exist for a reason...

Yes, mongoose, whether you want to admit it or not, image matters and we all form opinions based on image.

So form an opinion. It is your right. It is not alright for a LEO to act on opinion. Just the law

MONGOOSE

Why should anyone give a hoot about someone's impression of them? That is a you problem. Just as I could care less about of an anti gunners impression of me because I hang out with other CHLrs or go to the range and shoot with other gun owners.

MONGOOSE

Mine was 2010. May have been there.

MONGOOSE

I don't remeber the gang affiliation question on my CHL app. I don't doubt your word that it is there. I do have a problem with a bunch of State or Federal buerocrates defining what an outlaw gang is.

MONGOOSE

First of all, I have had my issues with motor cycle ( club/gang members. ) However, this is a slippery slope. Lookike a thug to who? I'm sure some of the anti gunners would classify all of us a diviant thugs. If someone is legally exercising their 2A rights legally ( CHL for now). I don't care what club or gang they belong to or what they look like.....next all AQHA members.....we abuse animals don't you know.

MONGOOSE

I read your quote, now show me the exact sentence where you claim he said what he said....think you can do that?

MONGOOSE

mojo84 wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:
mojo84 wrote: In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?
Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.
Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.
Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Where did you show he cared what people wear or should be judged by their apparel?

MONGOOSE

mojo84 wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:
mojo84 wrote: In other words, you would make a judgement based on what someone is wearing contrary to what you said in prior posts. Why would a cop not do the same?
Mojo, I'm going to call you out here: You're not telling the truth. Please quote me where I said that - meaning the contrary statements. I've said quite the opposite and can quote it. If I said it, I'll be accountable for it.

I'm willing to discuss whatever with you, but there has to be reasonable level of respectful disagreement. Indicating that I said things that I did not is not a reasonable way to frame a debate. Maybe it's a misunderstanding, but you'll have to point it out by quoting me.

Thanks for answering my question.
Here you go. Your first sentence of the second paragraph says you don't care what people wear. Then you went on to proclaim the freedoms to dress as one wishes in our country.

Then you said you would be concerned about someone based on what they are wearing as if cops shouldn't.

cb1000rider
Senior Member
Re: Police confiscated my weapon
PostThu Oct 08, 2015 4:52 pm

Mojo: What should I think about the kids that run around my town in caravans of lifted trucks flying confederate flags? Maybe they should be stopped and arrested for traffic violations?

I don't care what patch you wear or what you dress like. If you're in this country, you get the honor of being equal treatment and protection under the law thanks to the actions of people who fought and died for our country. That includes people with lifestyles and views that I don't like.

Many on this forum point to Waco as a group of "thugs" that were dressing the wrong way and got what they deserved. That may be true for some of them, but those same people gloss over the fact that some of them were CHL holders with zero criminal history and normal jobs. I think the lack of credible evidence out of that whole situation is like crickets chirping and it's going to cost that city and county a fortune, but that's just a prediction.

I may not agree a particular choice of dress, but I'm glad I live in a country where you can offend me. Mainly because I want to retain the right to offend you with my views. None of us want to be told what to thing, right? Hopefully we can agree on that.

In regard to your situation, it's unfortunate, but it sounds like they walked the thin line. The supreme court has established that LEOs can arrest for traffic offenses (Atwater vs Lago Vista), but I'd certainly lodge a complaint with the department as it may violate departmental policy.

If you find that it's typical to be treated that way, I'd find a way to even the playing field - mainly a camera or other recording device that leaves no doubt as to what happened.

PS: Use your turn signals... Or arm signals in the MC case.

Safe riding.
Now it's your turn to quote me where I said someone should be arrested solely for what they are wearing.

Where did you show he cared what people wear or should be judged by their apparel?

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