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Glockster wrote:

Countryside wrote:I guess one could say the officer was being over-cautious, but if everyone goes home unhurt and alive...was it a bad thing? I didn't notice the officer reporting in that the driver was not being cooperative when I first saw it. I do still think the officer over-reacted a little bit... BUT with all the officers being shot these days...guess I can't blame him too much. I still think there's something we have not seen or heard.
Maybe it was an attitude adjustment.

But that would seem to imply that despite having been presented a CHL, carried by someone statistically less likely to commit a crime than a LEO (if I recall those stats correctly), the default was to feel officer safety threatened so much so that over a minor traffic stop it was necessary to cuff the guy? So if that's how they treat those statistically least likely to be criminal and by extension least likely to be a threat....I can't help but wonder how anyone else gets treated. I agree that officer safety was on his mind -- in case you didn't notice it the officer ran his hand up the side of the vehicle (leaving some DNA proof of the stop behind), but to me I'd have thought that upon seeing a CHL that the first reaction would be oh, here's a guy who has cleared a criminal background check, fingerprints on file, had training on lawful carry in a vehicle, and so on.

I don't disagree. All in all it a was rather odd event. It may be a combination of factors we'll never know about. Things could have been done better on both sides.

I guess one could say the officer was being over-cautious, but if everyone goes home unhurt and alive...was it a bad thing? I didn't notice the officer reporting in that the driver was not being cooperative when I first saw it. I do still think the officer over-reacted a little bit... BUT with all the officers being shot these days...guess I can't blame him too much. I still think there's something we have not seen or heard.
Maybe it was an attitude adjustment.

"He was being pulled over so of course he is being detained and yes interrupting then is a attempt to assert control or to take it away from the cop."

"Yep, and a response with guns drawn was the appropriate answer."

It may be rude, but it is not dangerous nor illegal. Using your logic, if I am speaking with someone and they interrupt me...the fact that I have been interrupted means I am in danger and I can pull my weapon on them? Interrupting a peace officer is probably cause to draw weapons on someone??? Surely that is not what you mean.

Also, one officer had his weapon drawn but he did not have it pointed at the driver...he had back behind him. The main officer did not draw his weapon that I could see.

I never said that officers cannot instanter a citation...I said it is unusual and only done in special circumstances.
There is nothing that the driver did that is OBVIOUS to have warranted a backup unit and the instantering of the horrible, vicious crime of not using a turn signal. The officers were firm but not abusive, and the driver himself seemed upset but not hostile nor aggressive.
Again, there is more going on here than meets the eye...OR everyone (the driver and the officers) over-reacted.

Speaking as having had 10 years in LE with patrolman experience and field training officer experience there is something missing here. The officers didn't seem to be hateful or rude, but neither did the driver. When they asked if he was carrying and where he was carrying his weapon, after he answered them they responded with a rather calm "okay." The officers technically "Instanterd" the citations...rather than giving the person 10 days to appear they are taken into custody and appear sooner before a magistrate. But doing that is highly unusual...it is rarely done unless there are special circumstances. It has been done if someone is a suspect in another crime and they need to be brought in for questioning but there is not enough probable cause to arrest. The officer calling for backup to make a class C misdemeanor arrest is very unusual. If the officer felt threatened he would have stayed with his vehicle with his weapon drawn and used a felony traffic take-down method. The whole situation is just odd...so someone...somewhere is not revealing something....or trying to cover something.