jmra/Keith B,
Thank you. That is a good interpretation of the law that makes sense. It was definitely not covered that way at my Instr Course!! I had never heard of or thought about the "mall" example. I think I'll use that and give different examples.
Thanks again.
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- Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:27 pm
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- Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:55 pm
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Re: PC46.03-Clarification?
TAM/Howdy,
Agreed. I see this as probably highly unenforceable and dubious that a jury would have issues with that situation. But I'm curious if anyone else has run into the same issues teaching that particular section. I try to be very black & white when I teach the laws and this one always has me stumped as to whether there truly is some "grey area" there.
Agreed. I see this as probably highly unenforceable and dubious that a jury would have issues with that situation. But I'm curious if anyone else has run into the same issues teaching that particular section. I try to be very black & white when I teach the laws and this one always has me stumped as to whether there truly is some "grey area" there.
- Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:30 pm
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Re: PC46.03-Clarification?
Fellow instructors, I have a question I'm hoping someone can give me some clarification on. Specifically, regarding PC46.03(a)(1) and more specifically the statement, "...any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted..."
When I took my Instructors Course about 7 years ago this one statement caused a heated argument amongst the students and DPS instructors, therefore I remember it well. The way the DPS instructor(s) clarified this statement was to explain that, "If you were in a restaurant, and a school bus pulls up and the local high school football team gets out and comes into the restaurant and goes into the back dining area and begins their Annual Football Awards Banquet, then that has just become a building on which an activity sponsored by a school is being conducted! Therefore, you would be required to remove yourself or put your lawfully carried handgun into your car if you were to want to continue to dine there. The DPS instructor(s) further explained, "If you were on a picnic at a local park with your significant other and a school bus pulls up and the local high school cheerleading squad gets out and begins to conduct their weekly Cheer Training Camp at the park where you're at, then the park has just become the grounds on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted! Therefore, you would be required to remove yourself or put your lawfully carried handgun into your car if you wished to continue your picnic.
When this was presented by the DPS instructor(s) many were outraged at the thought that they could be forced to leave their favorite steakhouse, sans steak, "just because a school bus stopped there." The DPS instructor(s) were adamant and unrepentant about this portion of the law. Therefore, I have always taught exactly that narrow, strict definition of PC46.03(a)(1). And, there have been two occasions where I ran into this and removed myself from the location where I was dining.
Has anyone heard any other definition of this portion of the law? How does everyone else teach this portion of the law? ANY information or clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance,
"Tac"
When I took my Instructors Course about 7 years ago this one statement caused a heated argument amongst the students and DPS instructors, therefore I remember it well. The way the DPS instructor(s) clarified this statement was to explain that, "If you were in a restaurant, and a school bus pulls up and the local high school football team gets out and comes into the restaurant and goes into the back dining area and begins their Annual Football Awards Banquet, then that has just become a building on which an activity sponsored by a school is being conducted! Therefore, you would be required to remove yourself or put your lawfully carried handgun into your car if you were to want to continue to dine there. The DPS instructor(s) further explained, "If you were on a picnic at a local park with your significant other and a school bus pulls up and the local high school cheerleading squad gets out and begins to conduct their weekly Cheer Training Camp at the park where you're at, then the park has just become the grounds on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted! Therefore, you would be required to remove yourself or put your lawfully carried handgun into your car if you wished to continue your picnic.
When this was presented by the DPS instructor(s) many were outraged at the thought that they could be forced to leave their favorite steakhouse, sans steak, "just because a school bus stopped there." The DPS instructor(s) were adamant and unrepentant about this portion of the law. Therefore, I have always taught exactly that narrow, strict definition of PC46.03(a)(1). And, there have been two occasions where I ran into this and removed myself from the location where I was dining.
Has anyone heard any other definition of this portion of the law? How does everyone else teach this portion of the law? ANY information or clarification would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance,
"Tac"