Agreed. Point is fear is not a legal factor to satisfied justified deadly force in Texas, despite what many instructors falsely claim.Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:50 pmAnd then a prosecutor brings up, "A toy gun. He had a toy gun in his hand and Mr. Montgomery shot him to death." A lot easier to justify on multiple fronts for you and your defense if the law treats the toy gun used in the commission of a crime the same way it treats an actual firearm.montgomery wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:14 pmNo we are not. It is fear of grave bodily harm or death versus immediate and imminent grave bodily harm or death.Skooter wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:47 pmTo-may-toe … To-mah-toe ..... We’re talking about the same thing…montgomery wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:20 pmI am not an attorney and this is not legal advice: Fear is not a legal requirement for justifiable use of deadly force in Texas. Completely irrelevant. What is relevant is did the mere appearance of the object cause a reasonable and prudent person to believe the item was real to pose immediate and imminent risk of grave bodily harm or death.Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:03 pm
... then we can legitimately state that we were in fear for our lives
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- Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:02 pm
- Forum: 2019 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB 3257 - Imitation firearm = firearm for criminal cases
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- Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:14 pm
- Forum: 2019 Texas Legislative Session
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No we are not. It is fear of grave bodily harm or death versus immediate and imminent grave bodily harm or death.Skooter wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:47 pmTo-may-toe … To-mah-toe ..... We’re talking about the same thing…montgomery wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:20 pmI am not an attorney and this is not legal advice: Fear is not a legal requirement for justifiable use of deadly force in Texas. Completely irrelevant. What is relevant is did the mere appearance of the object cause a reasonable and prudent person to believe the item was real to pose immediate and imminent risk of grave bodily harm or death.Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:03 pm
... then we can legitimately state that we were in fear for our lives
- Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:20 pm
- Forum: 2019 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB 3257 - Imitation firearm = firearm for criminal cases
- Replies: 12
- Views: 7569
Re: HB 3257 - Imitation firearm = firearm for criminal cases
I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice: Fear is not a legal requirement for justifiable use of deadly force in Texas. Completely irrelevant. What is relevant is did the mere appearance of the object cause a reasonable and prudent person to believe the item was real to pose immediate and imminent risk of grave bodily harm or death.Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:03 pm
... then we can legitimately state that we were in fear for our lives