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by Richbirdhunter
Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:48 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: For those concerned about property rights:
Replies: 64
Views: 11581

Re: For those concerned about property rights:

ispray wrote:OOOH, what a tangled web we weave! We have a lot of law, rules, regulations we don't like. We better obey or get involved and get it changed. How about a sign at a business entrance that says hoddies not allowed or no shoes, no shirts, no service. Maybe those aren't law but still, don't you think a business has the right to keep anyone out unless keeping them out would violate something else, example "whites only allowed here" or no "Muslims allowed"

Try to tell them you won't bake a cake for a gay wedding.
by Richbirdhunter
Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: For those concerned about property rights:
Replies: 64
Views: 11581

Re: For those concerned about property rights:

anygunanywhere wrote:Sometimes you have to go where your firearms are not welcome. Most hospitals are posted. The attitude that you can just go somewhere else where your firearm is welcome is absurd and in no way relates to reality.

Sometimes is not all the time, and we make choices all the time about where to shop. Allowing me to carry lawfully is apart of that decision making process.
by Richbirdhunter
Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:23 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: For those concerned about property rights:
Replies: 64
Views: 11581

Re: For those concerned about property rights:

chuckybrown wrote:I see posts here siding with property (owner) rights. Often times, we're encouraged to respect the rights of property owners posting 30.06/30.07. I get that. Perspective, right? I mean, we're the cream of the crop law abiders, aren't we? The example for all..!!!

But for some perspective:

Property owners....every day.....must adhere to ADA guidelines. IBC codes. Life safety laws. Environmental regulations. Flood plain certificates (FEMA by the way). Etc.

Why are we...as LTC'rs....so willing to wave the "we believe in property rights flags" that may / may not put our self defense rights in a subordinate position compared to these other rules and laws?

Would for one second a physically challenged person politely wait for an AG opinion and subsequent court ruling on accessible spaces?

There may be no right answer here tonight, but why are our rights less important / urgent????....particularly in these turbulent times??

Why, for example, should we.....as citizens of our constitution, be willing to be told our rights to self defense are prohibited by a property/business owner, but they must respect parking space density counts and restroom counts??

Tell me? Is it political correctness run amok??

Curious.

I agree with this post, I do most of my shopping at places that I have like minded ideals with.
The places that I'm not welcomed at I might call at the end of the day and very politely let them know I spent X amount of money at this other store because of their policy of allowing LTC folks in their store.

I also very politely ask them what is their plan to keep me safe in their gun free zone. It generally doesn't get me anywhere but it's a slow process and it gives them something to think about especially of they get more phone calls like that.

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