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03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:33 pm

jason812 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:23 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 pm
And this gets me to what I think a crime should be. The only crimes that we should have are those where my actions cause harm to another person. It might be physical injury, it might be financial injury, and it might be mental injury (though this last requires extreme care - offending someone is not an injury but threatening them is). And if there is not a specific person that can be shown to be harmed, it should not be a crime. So, to use the previously mentioned DWI example, driving with any alcohol in your system should not be illegal unless it causes an accident. A distinct near miss causing a person to think the accident was imminent though they took action to avoid it could still be illegal, but just driving home from the bar with no close calls or accidents would be fine even if the driver's BAC was .24.

With all you wrote but especially this. Have you noticed generally a crime against the government is punished harsher than a physical crime against a fellow man?

Maybe I'm a Constitutionalist and not Libertarian. I could almost call the Libertarian party the anarchy party. No borders would be just that, anarchy. While we have too many laws, they seem to want no laws.

I was with you all the up to the part about DWI/DUI. Unfortunately there are a VERY large number of folks out there who would drive intoxicated if not for the threat of going to jail. Driving is NOT a right, it is a privilege and as such is a legitimate activity to be regulated by laws. Waiting until some idiot kills my family to put a stop to them driving under the influence just does not cut it.

srothstein wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:25 pm
And this gets me to what I think a crime should be. The only crimes that we should have are those where my actions cause harm to another person. It might be physical injury, it might be financial injury, and it might be mental injury (though this last requires extreme care - offending someone is not an injury but threatening them is). And if there is not a specific person that can be shown to be harmed, it should not be a crime. So, to use the previously mentioned DWI example, driving with any alcohol in your system should not be illegal unless it causes an accident. A distinct near miss causing a person to think the accident was imminent though they took action to avoid it could still be illegal, but just driving home from the bar with no close calls or accidents would be fine even if the driver's BAC was .24.