In general, what is required to become a volunteer fire fighter? I live out in the county and before this became a thing I was playing with the idea of volunteering for the VFD closest to me. I wonder if VFD would be more rewarding/impactful than CERT?SRO1911 wrote:interestingly enough, we have had two applications for our VFD who referenced this bill. While we will closely be watching for genuine interest and motivation - I for one am willing to reach for ANY additional tool in the recruiting tool box. I would have been much happier with some of the other proposed bills, I just can't be completely happy with anything that makes a separate class (even if im in it).
Now we just need to find a way to sign up the million or so LTC holders as first responders, every single one of them to make it fair.
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- Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:51 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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- Fri May 26, 2017 10:55 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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I wonder if the state guard would be a volunteer emergency force or if they fall more in line as a militia? It's a volunteer force, who responds to emergencies in the state, but it's organized like a military unit, kinda sorta...TreyHouston wrote:Why don't you actually join the TXSG? We have a lot of fun!The Dude wrote:It looks like that would comply with the black letter law. Calling it a militia might invite unwanted attention but a neighborhood emergency response fellowship might sound softer.RossA wrote:So if we start a "volunteer militia" and the charter documents say that we exist to provide services for the benefit of the general public during emergencies, members would fall under this law?
Also, just to be clear. A TXSG member is no longer affected by 30.06 or 30.07 at all, on duty or not?
Isn't ambiguity in written law fun?
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0
30.06 and 30.07 now have a defense to prosecution if you're a volunteer emergency services provider.
46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to volunteer emergency services personnel while engaged in providing emergency services.
46.035 now has a defense to prosecution if you are emergency services personnel engaged in providing emergency services.
- Fri May 26, 2017 2:46 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
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Correct -- I didn't specify that bit in my quote.ELB wrote:That is the list of state mental hospitals, is it not?TexasJohnBoy wrote: ...
Looks like this fixes section 552.002 Health and Safety code as well. No carry allowed in the listed hospitals in 552.002(2). Civil fines only for violation if I read that part correctly....
- Fri May 26, 2017 2:00 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
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I don't think a militia will fall under the "Emergency Services" umbrella, however thats one of the reasons for the Texas State Guard, so I could be wrong. The definition is somewhat vague.RossA wrote:So if we start a "volunteer militia" and the charter documents say that we exist to provide services for the benefit of the general public during emergencies, members would fall under this law?
I like it, but I wonder what the AG and the courts would say about that?
Looks like this fixes section 552.002 Health and Safety code as well. No carry allowed in the listed hospitals in 552.002(2). Civil fines only for violation if I read that part correctly....
- Fri May 26, 2017 1:47 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
- Views: 74318
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I'm shocked... I was considering getting involved in CERT again, but this will definitely make it easier if I don't have to worry where to stow my sidearm if the proverbial bovine excrement hits the rotating oscillator. Good job, all!
- Fri May 26, 2017 1:36 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
- Views: 74318
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This would include CERT or Red Cross Volunteers then, no?(18)
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"Volunteer emergency services personnel"
includes a volunteer firefighter, an emergency medical services
volunteer as defined by Section 773.003, Health and Safety Code,
and any individual who, as a volunteer, provides services for the
benefit of the general public during emergency situations. The
term does not include a peace officer or reserve law enforcement
officer, as those terms are defined by Section 1701.001,
Occupations Code, who is performing law enforcement duties.
- Fri May 26, 2017 1:26 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
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SewTexas wrote:well, color me shocked, they concurred.
- Thu May 25, 2017 9:27 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
- Replies: 168
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Could the House call for a conference to hash it out and still keep it alive, or would a point-of-order terminate the bill completely/immediately?Charles L. Cotton wrote:I don't have the full amendment, but it appears that the mental hospital language added in floor amendment 1 was from HB14. However, it also appears to allow the Attorney General, U.S. Attorney and assistant U.S. Attorneys with an LTC to carry everywhere a LEO can carry. Again, I cannot see the entire floor amendment and I can't find anything on the second floor amendment.
While the mental hospital provision should not be a problem in concept, it is not germane and someone in the House may well call a point-of-order. However, the provision allowing yet more select LTCs to carry everywhere is precisely why the House refused to concur with Senate changes to HB508 in 2013. This killed the bill. HB435 may suffer the same fate, as well it should.
Chas.
- Wed May 24, 2017 8:18 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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Maybe not. It passed both chambers, maybe they'll take that as a hint to concur or conference.
- Wed May 24, 2017 7:17 pm
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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- Thu May 04, 2017 9:34 am
- Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
- Topic: HB435 Volunteer Emergency Svces Carrying
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I used to be in a CERT. This is a really good point...NotRPB wrote:My wish is that it cover CERT which is exactly a Volunteer Emergency Services group https://www.google.com/search?q=cert&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
At U of H I used to study with a Volunteer Paramedic for city of South Houston, We'd interrupt whatever we were doing to run out to a call in his pickup truck and throw a light on top to meet the Ambulance at the scene. (He was in law school, decided to become sheriff deputy later) I can imagine armed Volunteer Paramedics on call having to take time to disarm and safely store a weapon to in order to enter a place in order to save a life, the bill needs to pass.