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SQLGeek wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:30 am As an aside, I can't imagine why education is so expensive these days....

OneGun wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:49 pm I find it humorous that the Professors' arguments is that campus carry inhibits free speech. I didn't think there was free speech in the classrooms. Just the Professors' ideology is taught to a captive audience..

J.R.@A&M wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:39 am An appeal of this case is being heard Wednesday by a panel of judges on the 5th Circuit Ct. of Appeals. http://tpr.org/post/us-5th-circuit-set- ... -carry-law

bblhd672 wrote: ...
My bet would be on the "honorable" opposition. Seems very suspicious that one professor found two of the casings. On a side note what does a "rhetoric professor" teach?
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TexasJohnBoy wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:I've searched the Google high and low... only place I've found the documents you must pay for a subscription

I can tell you though that it was filed on 9/12. Document 64 & 65 both appear to be motions to dismiss.

How in the world can they charge for it? Aren't these kinds of documents the essence of public domain?

Papa_Tiger wrote:Any updates on this? It is after the 12th and I haven't seen or heard anything yet.

Plaintiffs argue that the Campus Carry Policy violates the Due Process Clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment because, to the extent the Policy imposes a penalty on professors at the
University for prohibiting handguns in their classrooms, the Policy is unconstitutionally vague.

The court finds that a person of ordinary intelligence would understand if a professor were to communicate
to her class that individuals licensed to carry handguns may not carry a handgun in her
classroom, such communication would be a misrepresentation of and in contravention to the
Campus Carry Policy.

Further, the University's Handbook of Operating Procedures 5-2420
gives professors, such as Plaintiffs here, notice that disciplinary action may be imposed for
unacceptable conduct, including "violation of policies or rules of the institution or The
University of Texas System."

Plaintiffs assert that classroom discussion will be "circumscribed by the near-certain
presence of loaded guns" and that their ability to "make [their classrooms] truly a marketplace
for the robust exchange of ideas will be impaired."

The court has searched the jurisprudence of this country from the ratification of the
Constitution forward and has found no precedent for Plaintiffs' proposition that there is a right of
academic freedom so broad that it allows them such autonomous control of their classrooms
both physically and academically that their concerns override decisions of the legislature and
the governing body of the institution that employs them.

The Campus Carry Policy's allowance of the licensed
concealed carrying of handguns in some areas on campus but not others does not violate the
Equal Protection Clause because they are rationally related to the University's legitimate
interests of complying with the Campus Carry Law and promoting safety on campus as
explained in the Report.

Papa_Tiger wrote:

ELB wrote:I thought the rules promulgated by the President (as modified by the Regents) had the force of law once adopted?

Only if provided notice via 30.06:

TPC 46.035 wrote:(a-2) Notwithstanding Subsection (a) or Section 46.03(a), a license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on the campus of a private or independent institution of higher education in this state that has established rules, regulations, or other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying handguns pursuant to Section 411.2031(e), Government Code, or on the grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by such an institution is being conducted, or in a passenger transportation vehicle of such an institution, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, provided the institution gives effective notice under Section 30.06.

The easiest method to ensure that there is no question of the location being off limits is the posting of a 30.06 sign at each off limits location.

TexasTornado wrote: ...
Is it just me or is there also no Texas statute that instructs students that they are acting illegally if they ignore professors instructions that they may not bring guns into their classrooms???

TexasTornado wrote:Heck, it's not even illegal to bring your weapon into areas of campus restricted by policy. .

JALLEN wrote:There seems to be a kind of Gresham's Law effect here.

In economics, Gresham's law is a monetary principle stating that "bad money drives out good". For example, if there are two forms of commodity money in circulation, which are accepted by law as having similar face value, the more valuable commodity will disappear from circulation.

. Wikipedia

It is very noticeable when it happens. Example. I worked at a very large title insurance company while in law school. One department was supervised by a woman of a certain nationality/ethnicity. Over a period of time, all the employees in that department came to be that nationality. She was very good, that department was exceedingly efficient, no issues, but every single employee was the same ethnic origin as she was. They spoke their dialect, they were all the same religion. When a vacancy occurred,it was filled with someone of that ethnic group. If others were hired, they did not last long. It could not have been coincidence.

I observed the same phenomena among lab techs at a large medical provider in San Diego. All the lab techs were the same nationality/ethnicity. Those from other ethnicities, if not driven out, eventually found employment elsewhere, I guess.

In college teaching, the communists have taken over and have been driving out all others.

TexasTornado wrote: ...
Based on their logic (and I use that term loosely) couldn't LTC students just form their own "militia," do some additional range time together etc?

Jusme wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:There should be no tenure at state-supported colleges and universities. Private schools can be imprudent if they wish, but taxpayers shouldn't be stuck with incompetent professors who happened to stick around long enough to become nearly termination-proof.

Chas.

Longevity, is not a sign of competence.

dlh wrote:Nice work on the part of the attorneys for the Attorney General and the University of Texas! Now, let's hope Judge Yeakel dismisses the case out of hand.

I have a strong suspicion an "interest group" (think leftist anti-gun groups--there are several) is paying the attorney's fees incurred by the plaintiffs. Always nice when parties gets a free lawyer (sarcasm).