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WildBill wrote: ...

The ex-cop who yelled “gun” before a Long Island police officer was killed in a “friendly fire” shooting is a retired NYPD veteran who has an annoying habit of listening to scanners and racing to locations where police are called, sources said yesterday.

True or not, the knives are out for this guy...

I just realized that in all the press accounts I have read, Breitkopf was carrying a "rifle," sometimes an "M-4." Never an "assault rifle." I would bet that as a NCPD Bureau of Operations officer, he was actually carrying a full auto M-4 or AR15 variant -- a true assault rifle. But this is not mentioned.

Odd, that.

flintknapper wrote:Groan.......!


Well...you may be sure...we won't hear much more about this one.

Dunno about that. This is getting uglier by the moment.

Various news reports are saying the Nassau County PBA president is calling for charges against the retired NYPD sergeant. He (PBA prez) is apparently claiming that the retired sergeant (John Cafarella) was "barking orders" at the scene, refused to leave or back off when told, and even took the dead officer's (Breitkopf) M-4 away from him (after he was dead and on the ground). The

Want uglier? The PBA prez says (and other reports seem to support) that Breitkopf had already been recognized by the other Nassau cops, got on scene about 10 minutes after the initial incident, and was talking with the NCPD guys with his rifle slung muzzle down over his shoulder. He turned and walked towards an MTA policeman. Then (again according to the PBA prez) the retired sergeant yelled "Gun," the MTA cop grabbed Breitkopf, which caused him to turn, and possibly pointed the muzzle more or less towards a second MTA cop, who fired one round.

A gunny forum in that area that I have been reading has a post saying local news is reporting the authorities have suspended Cafarella's pistol license and required him to surrender all his guns.

Breitkopf was a father of two boys, had been a volunteer fireman for 12 years, and was in the same academy class as another Nassau County police officer killed five weeks ago. These were the first LODDs that the NCPD has had in 18 years.


Time will tell how much of this is accurate, but if two police agencies go to war over it, I don't think it will be very quiet.

[had timeline screwed up -- corrected]

Update on the shooting:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/li_o ... 6Y7h5QYVEN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Summary (info provide to NY Post by Nassau County Police Benevolent Association President):
- Initial event (shooting the guy with the knife) was over.
- MTA cops assisting with "mop up' duty
- NCPD Special Ops Officer Breitkopf and his partner roll up in their car
- Breitkopf walks towards house with rifle over his shoulder and badge hanging around his neck.
- Unidentified retired NYPD sergeant who lives in the neighborhood and was part of the looky-loo crowd shouts, "GUN!"
- One MTA cop tries to take rifle away from Breitkopf
- Other MTA cop, Glenn Gentile, shoots Breitkopf in the side
- MTA cops are trying to handcuff Breitkopf on the lawn when Breitkopf's partner runs up and yells, "He's one of us!"

Updated my rant about Nassau County with another sad factoid. Somebody go check and make sure I spelled everything right...

TexDotCom wrote:ELB,

check the wording of ...etc


Otherwise...GREAT post.

Heh. Freudian slip perhaps. Amazing it got through the forum bad-word-filter, considering that if you try to quote David Farragut accurately, the filter automatically converts it to "Damn the torpedoes..."

And thanks.

The location where this took place is kind of a special case in the realm of "man in civilian attire is holding a gun," especially a rifle. In the case cited in the OP, it being a police rifle, it was most likely an AR-15 type, in other words, an assault rifle OMG!

Same county where the DA forbids anyone on his staff to own a handgun or have a permit for one.

Same county where the policeman in charge of local licensing for gun dealers threatened a local FFL for refusing to transfer a firearm to another cop, apparently illegally. Then orchestrated an warrantless raid, arrested the FFL and seized guns. Then saw all the charges dismissed but refused to return the guns. Then suspended the FFL's local licenses anyway, shutting down his business until he could finally get them back, no doubt after much legal effort.

Then orchestrated yet another raid on the same FFL, plus five others -- on the eve of jury selection for the FFLs lawsuit against the county for the license suspension.
http://www.longislandlawyerblog.com/wha ... tore-raids" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
viewtopic.php?f=94&t=42325&hilit=nassau+county" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a county with a forum devoted to just the county's rules on firearms ownership, with forum questions like "Can I let someone else shoot my pistol at the range?" (apparently NO, unless they also have a license), and "Can take more than one gun to the range?" (Apparently yes, but the number and how they can be transported...not so obvious.) Where one of the forum members is excited because after 10.5 months, $200+ dollars, an interview, and who knows what other hoops, he finally has a license. Now he can pay another $10 to get another license to buy a gun to go with his first license.
http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/b-11/s-35/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EDITED TO ADD: I forgot to add, when I originally posted this, that Nassau County is also the place that tried to ban "deceptively colored guns." No grandfather clause -- anyone who had a gun that wasn't "black, grey, silver, steel, nickel or army green" would have had to turn them in for destruction without compensation. (Note that all legal guns are registered with the police in Nassau...) I'll bet the cop in civvies had a rifle in the approved color... fat lot of good it did him.

In otherwords, this is a county that fetishizes the demonization of guns, in a city that does the same. "Only criminals have guns." So what is a police officer from any jurisdiction in the NYC area supposed to think when he sees a guy in plain clothes with a gun?

One wonders then, if the police departments just reaped what they have helped to sow.