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by ELB
Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:49 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm?
Replies: 51
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Re: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm?

ChuckW wrote:
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Thanks for posting this, even though I have already purchased an M&P. :)
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I guess that I now own an M&P I'll just have to see what my experience turns out to be!
Yes of course -- since you are just using a single M&P instead of a fleet, the statistic that really matters is how well does your pistol operate. Obviously the odd are in favor of it doing well, and I hope you enjoy it. The interchangeable backstrap idea is kind of neat -- the main reason I don't shoot a Glock is that it just doesn't quite fit my hand as well as the FN Hi Power I have.

I have to say I did find that "Texas Range Master" tirade a bit amusing. He slams the LASO for "little or no data" (altho the memo quotes 46% of a recruit class had some kind of malfunction with their M&P 9), launches a huge paragraph extolling the M&P 40 (which is closely related, but different pistol), then signs off with a dismissive comment about data from California (not that I am any great admirer of Califorinia in general or Sheriff Baca in particular). Yet if you read his verbiage closely, you realize his entire dataset for the M&P 9 is "a smattering" and his own...as in one... personal pistol... :???: Heh.

Anyway, shoot the dickens out it, as your budget will allow, and report back.

best,

elb
by ELB
Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:53 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm?
Replies: 51
Views: 7650

Re: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm?

ChuckW wrote:I also want to thank everyone for the helpful replies here. Based on the feedback in this and a couple of other threads on this forum, and some hands on range time with the M&P 9mm, I have gone ahead and purchased one! ...
Whoops, I guess I am a bit late with this then -- I remembered this LA County Sheriff's bulletin after reading the first part of this thread a couple days ago, but just tonight got back to this. I ran across it at WarriorTalk (http://warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=54097" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). It was posted on 4 May 09. You have to weigh this against the positive reports you got in this thread. In any case, if you have any problems with your new pistol, don't hesitate to put S&W's warranty and customer service through their paces.
Importance: High

Quality of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P pistols has become a concern because of a recent barrel failure on an in-service deputy’s pistol, coupled with additional extraction jams on deputy recruit pistols (46% of recruit class experiencing some degree of malfunctions – mostly phase-2 jam failures to extract spent casings).

A JDIC announcment canceling the authorization of Smith & Wesson 9mm M&P semi-automatic pistol models follows.

Please brief your personnel.

NOTE: Sworn personnel carrying a replacement pistol (instead of a S&W M&P) must shoot pistol qualification ASAP with that replacement on-duty and/or off-duty pistol.

Personnel who were trained to use the M&P pistol during January – April 2009 can contact BC Range for additional information.

SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT BROADCAST

ANNOUNCEMENT
TRAINING BUREAU WEAPONS TRAINING
TO: ALL SWORN PERSONNEL

SUBJECT: OFFICER SAFETY ALERT - SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.

SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION. THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.

ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377 RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.

PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.

LEROY D. BACA, SHERIFF

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