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by ELB
Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:36 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Rights of Employers OUTSIDE of company 'premises'
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Re: Rights of Employers OUTSIDE of company 'premises'

dicion wrote:Sorry to be a thread necromancer... but it's worth it :)

I took my boss behind closed doors and had a nice talk about double standards on following corporate policy...

In the end, he got his wireless, and I have an 'understanding' with my manager :hurry:

Could they still fire me? Sure, but I feel more comfortable about it now that I know my manager's got my back ...
I hope you had your pocket tape recorder running during that conversation, or you have nothing. You get caught carrying, your boss will never remember any of this, because I seriously doubt he will risk his job for yours. Doesn't matter what your credentials are, the fact is someone else just as smart can be hired. And if you do have a recording, you probably just have evidence that you and your boss conspired to violate company policy, which will get you both fired. (That would be the upside if you were mad enough -- you'd still go out the door, but you'd take someone with you.)

Like a couple others said, I would just go ahead and carry, and keep my mouth shut. I worked for a number of years for an employer that acted as if they were scared to death of small arms and people carrying them, but if I violated their rules, it wasn't just a matter of finding a new employer -- it could conceivably be Article 15,court-martial, loss of rank/pension, dishonorable discharge, felony, etc etc. That's behind me now, and now I will not work for someone who thinks their bank acccount or "property rights" is more important than my self-defense.

Which brings me to this quote from a few posts back:
And my hesitation is soley based on the liability that a jury may find I have by allowing you to carry or knowing you carry and not taking actions to prohibit it. As an employer I would not be willing to risk my company and the jobs of all those that work for me to support ones right to carry.
I understand this is the way that companies and corporations think -- but more clearly stated is that it means the company's financial liability is more important than my life. This is not a morally supportable position. It is driven in part by the laws that we have, but that does not make it just. I have enough libertarian leanings to much prefer that the government stay out of business workings -- especially Obamagovernment -- but denying concealed carry to employees is one area where employers and business owners should be held to strict liability for any violent act that befalls the employee.

I have been working on a little research project for someone else concerning individuals with CHLs that defend themselves. In the overwhelming majority of cases the CHL holder does good. Once in a great while he gets hurt, and even rarer he hurts an bystander -- but it is a pretty small risk. There is no moral case for companies to deny CHL carry.

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