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by ELB
Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:40 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight
Replies: 40
Views: 4982

Re: Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight

baylor wrote:Does anyone know the gun that commerical pilots are now carrying? Just curious, I thought I read it was a .40 caliber.
According to this guy, the FFDO program uses H&K .40 pistols.
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2007/12/ts ... f-air.html

He identifies the pistol maker in the comments to the post. I find it interesting that he was complaining about this holster/padlock system back in December 07, before this US Airs incident.

I find it even more interesting that the following comment was added to the post on 31 Mar:
Anonymous said...
I can't reveal my identity since I am an active FFDO, but I agree with most of the opinions about the weapon and carriage system foisted upon us by the bureaucratocracy. In the beginning, TSA openly declared they would never create an armed pilot force, and yielded only when directly ordered to by Congress. They set out to create a recruitment, training, and operational climate designed to discourage pilots from volunteering. In the words of a TSA official, "No pilot in his right mind would ever go through this, so if you go through this, you are not in your right mind" --- and therefore will lose your FAA medical certificate and your career. I have nothing but praise for the field-level trainers, but the DC powersuits have been obstructionist from the beginning, from choosing an unnecessarily large, clumsy, and cumbersome sidearm to the most ridiculous carriage system ever devised (one that guarantees incidents like this) to withholding training which would allow us to carry our weapons in a safe and sane manner, to making sure we are easily identifiable as we enter the sterile (secured) airport area, and more which I cannot reveal. One bit of evidence: under the three previous transport/carriage systems, there were no unintentional discharges that I know of. The USAir incident is the fifth unintentional discharge I am aware of using the current locking holster system. Excuses can be made regarding improper usage of the holster and lock, but any system which produces these kind of results is incredibly flawed. I hope it doesn't take a fatality to get this idiocy changed.

March 31, 2008 6:51 PM
I have not clue as to its authenticity, but might make an interesting FOIA expedition for someone with the time and motivation...
by ELB
Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:06 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight
Replies: 40
Views: 4982

Re: Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight

Was a trigger lock involved here?

Here's John Lott's speculation on it:
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/03/a ... rways.html
This is the first time that I have found of this type of discharge. I have had at least one pilot today tell me about the problems with the gun locks required on the guns. According to those that I have talked to, the gun discharged when the lock was being put on the gun. Are these guys supposed to unload the gun before they re-lock their gun.


He also points to Crimefilenews, which has these posts on FFDOs being required to lock the loaded gun into their holsters when ever they leave the cockpit:

Gun Accident In U.S. Airways Airliner Cockpit Was TSA Engineered!
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2008/03/gu ... t-was.html

TSA Arrogance Threatens Safety Of Air Travelers-Classified Information
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2007/12/ts ... f-air.html

I have seen the holster pictured at the posts advertised in magazines -- I forget the holster maker name, but I believe it was a topdrawar, recognizable name.

Food for thought. Will be interesting to see if a full report of the incident makes the news...

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