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CleverNickname wrote:

thetexan wrote:Gun buster signs have zero legal force. They mean nothing to you as an LTC. Nothing. Except to inform you that the owner apparently doesn't want guns in his establishment.

Not necessarily. Let's say you see this sign posted somewhere:



Does it mean:
1. "The owner/management of this properly doesn't like guns."
2. "The owner/management of this properly doesn't like guns, and we don't want anyone carrying them here."
3. "The owner/management of this properly doesn't like Beretta 92's."
4. "The owner/management of this properly doesn't like semi-auto pistols."
5. "The owner/management of this properly doesn't like semi-auto pistols if they're not carried cocked & locked."

An argument could be made for any of those. Anything other than a legit 30.06 or 30.07 sign is ambiguous at best.

There's only a pistol under the slash. I don't see a pistol and a license card. Obviously it means no unlicensed carry.

Seriously, there are businesses who post deliberately noncompliant signs because they aren't anti gun, they just don't want to scare off customers with unhealthy phobias about inert mechanical devices. The best examples are the friendly "you're cool but please don't open carry" signs.

Cabela's in Waco used to have a gun check bench at the entrance. There was a sign at the entrance indicating defensive carry firearms didn't need to be checked.

The range of property owner's wishes is too great to be trusted to mind reading. A hoplophobe who refuses to post workable, enforceable signs is (according to his philosophy, not mine) failing to protect his precious sheeply patrons. He should consider himself irresponsible with guns.

I would not expect to be ticketed for failing to come to a full stop at a sign shaped like a unicorn with the wording "Here abide your turn." A standard octagon and the word "Stop" works so much better.

If you don't want my icon of freedom on your property, post 30.06 and 30.07. Problem solved. If it means that much to you, do the right thing and post clearly enforceable signage. Otherwise, be content with some of your most honest customers, ones that wouldn't think of shoplifting, wandering your aisles with certain concealed artifacts.

Frankly, I suspect that one motivation behind the anti-sign movement is entrapment. I bet there are anti-gun people out there who don't just want me off their property, they want me to suffer for my knuckle-dragging ways. The idea of not putting up a standard sign may be intriguing to some people, an expression of hope they can some day trip up a gun carrier.

If they are that venomous in their view of gun rights, they may be cruel in other ways. Avoid them.

Oldgringo wrote:Reality Check:

Should the local fuzz be allowed to arrest a CHL for OC'ing past a 'gunbuster' sign and can arrest and charge that CHL on any number of other additional, trumped up charges including MWAG. Is it any wonder that the BLM, etc. cults have formed?

Something ain't right in this picture. To paraphrase the scriptures, "...LEO cleanse thyselves...".

For balance, despite what might be said in Austin's ivory halls, law enforcement is already on our side, at least generally. I do not expect to encounter repercussions from a peace officer if it comes to light I'm carrying a firearm. Around here, anyway, they all recommend it for law abiding citizens.

Prior to the CHL law, it was somewhat different, but not markedly so. At a gun seminar held by a local police department in about 1990, I carried a concealed .38 snubby. That was a lawful carry, even if edgy, because I was going to a gun seminar where the public was invited to shoot with supervision. I shot my .45, the handgun I carried in a plastic gun case, got complimented, and asked if I could shoot my other pistol. There were some chuckles and hoots from officers when I drew my loaded concealed handgun and fired, but no chiding, lectures, nothing negative at all. Just another honest country boy striving for proper range etiquette with his handgun.

Now, if we could just elevate the city slickers among us to the level of enlightenment found on a moonlit evening beside a quiet creek, coyotes in song and night critters rustling around, we'd probably find the question of guns rather moot.

It would be cool if your instructor could pop in here. Tell him it's not Reddit, it's run by an NRA Board member. It won't be anyone here calling him out for being wrong, anyway, it would be the State legislature, as represented by the laws they wrote.

If I'm surprised by an unenforceable gunbusters sign, what I do would depend on the circumstances. At my discretion I might (concealed) carry past them. I would avoid the place in the future.

My favorite gunbuster sign is in the Freddy's burger joint in Waco. It says something like, "For the comfort of all our customers, we respectfully ask that you not openly carry firearms in Freddy's."

No problem, that's all right in my book. Better to allow open carry, but I'm OK with their compromise.

Federal buildings and genuinely off limits places I don't carry.