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android wrote:

OlBill wrote:RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

No different than sitting with an appendix carry holster or tying my shoes with a gun on my side and passing my arm under the barrel.

stroo wrote:From Kathy's article: " If you cannot pick a firearm up without pointing it in an unsafe direction (or if it is already pointed in an unsafe direction), you should not put your hand on it." Please explain to me how you are going to draw your firearm from your shoulder holster without pointing it at the person behind you.

Apart from this, I am in full agreement with Charles. You are responsible for where the muzzle of your gun is pointing not the person behind you or anyone around you. You have the gun; the bystander doesn't. And that is true whether you are OCing or concealed carrying! It is just more obvious when you OC.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

android wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote: I responded to your comment that no one was "swept" with a muzzle if the trigger was covered by the holster. This simply is not the case. When the muzzle points at a person, that person has been swept and that violates one of the cardinal gun safety rules.
Chas.

Well can disagree on this and Kathy disagrees with you too.

http://www.corneredcat.com/article/hols ... our-rules/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I guess "Kathy" and I disagree as do you and I. Back to the point, "sweeping" someone with a muzzle occurs when the muzzle of the firearm points at a person.

Chas.

harrycallahan wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

android wrote:

OlBill wrote:RULE 2
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY

I don't flag. I don't like being flagged.

A pistol in a holster that properly covers the trigger isn't sweeping or flagging or muzzle covering or whatever you want to call it.
It's an inert object with regards to safety and gun handling unless you put your paws on it.

I have to disagree with you there. When I'm teaching a class, if the muzzle of a student's handgun points at another student, then the offending student has swept another person with their muzzle, regardless of their placement of their trigger finger. When the muzzle points at something "you are not willing to destroy," that person or thing has been swept.

Yes, horizontal shoulder holsters are safe when properly designed and used for a specific handgun. Nevertheless, at a minimum it is extremely rude and irresponsible to openly wear a horizontal shoulder holster and put other people in fear. I know how they work and I have one of every type (for demonstration purposes) but there's no way on this earth I'd knowingly stand behind some wearing one and stare down the barrel. Safety rules are protocols and protocols are effective only when you follow them all the time.

BTW, covering the trigger may not be the end of the story. For striker-fired weapons it is, but not for hammer-fired handguns. Those handguns need to be secured with a strap that is between the hammer and firing pin because a sear an fail. I know, I had it happen.
Chas.

Your first two paragraphs are in conflict. I agree a muzzle sweep is a safety violation and I agree shoulder holsters are safe, but that's not what you're saying is it? Or is it? Because if you really believe shoulder holsters are safe then by extension you cannot believe that you can be swept by one. Or can you? Second, you're usually the first to point this out to an OP so I'm a bit surprised you did it. I cannot accept your "I know" as factual information alone in either case that you've used it. Elaborate how a sear failure is only dangerous while in a should holster and how that makes a shoulder holster unsafe. I understand that you and most OPs don't like them, but please do not distort firearm safety rules and use fear just to make your point. If it is etiquette reform or firearm safety training from a defensive draw scenario using a shoulder holster then that makes sense. Everything else is indeed a rant.

E.Marquez wrote:

I would hope you would stand behind any citizen who elects to possess, carry, hold, concealed or openly carry a firearm in a manner allowed by law (that would include laws not just reference the carry method but disorderly conduct laws as well) I know I do